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Welcome to episode 13 of the Deficient Vegans podcast.
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I'm the muscle deficient vegan here with the protein deficient Vegan.
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Do you wanna say hi?
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Hi.
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Hi.
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Lucky number 13.
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What do you think about that?
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Taylor Swift.
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Okay, so in this episode we're gonna talk about carbohydrates.
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We touched on this a little bit in the macronutrient episode, but we're gonna do a little more.
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Have a deep dive and talk about what they really do for you.
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Does that sound like fun?
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Kinda, kinda, yeah.
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Super fun.
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So carbohydrates you may know provide energy for your body, but you might not know they're not actually required for you to survive as far as getting them in your diet.
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Did you know that?
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Uh,
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no.
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No.
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Yeah, so carbohydrates are required, but your body can actually make all the ones you need to just be alive.
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What about to be happy?
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No, they, uh, well, bread, you know, bread makes you happy, right?
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Yeah.
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So you're gonna want to eat bread sometimes, but you don't need it to live.
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Mm. Okay.
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Agree, disagree.
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You need it to have the will to live.
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Okay.
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That's, there's probably something to that.
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Okay.
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So since you don't technically need it to live, you may hear that people do the keto diet, which is basically extremely low carb.
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And they can do that for long periods of time because you don't technically need carbs.
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I don't really recommend that I, I wouldn't do that because I think it's good to have a balanced diet and the carbs do a lot of stuff for you.
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We're gonna talk about here, but just so you know, so I don't get, you know, some heat.
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From the keto crowd, technically ketones, which is what you generate in your body when you're at low carb.
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I'm not really keto, so I don't know if I'm using the right terminology here, but you can replace some of what carbs do in your body with doing it with ketones instead.
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So I just wanna say that as a general disclaimer, technically you don't need carbs, but I think they do a lot of good stuff.
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Okay, so.
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Since we watched Grim.
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Yeah.
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The show.
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Yeah.
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Every time I hear keto diet, I think about the dragon lady that used like her own fat to light flames.
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Yeah.
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It's like that.
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Okay.
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That's just like.
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All I think about when I hear keto now, grim kind of ruined my brain.
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Yeah.
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So they should use that episode in their keto marketing.
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Yeah.
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'cause I mean, if I could do that, I'd go keto.
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Yeah.
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That's a really, that would be a good selling point.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, yeah, just because you don't need them, uh, I don't think means that you shouldn't eat them.
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So we've got a couple of different types of carbs.
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There is a simple carbohydrate, which it just means it digests quickly.
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And it's tasty ones, right?
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Yeah, tasty ones.
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It's uh, sugars, essentially.
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Sugars are simple carbohydrate.
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They digest quickly and also cause an insulin spike when you ingest them.
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Typically, that's not a big deal.
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If you're not diabetic, you probably don't have to worry too much about insulin spikes.
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Uh, but if for whatever reason you need to manage your insulin spikes, simple carbohydrates are ones you probably wanna do a little less of.
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Then they have complex carbohydrates, which is like starches and fiber.
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Fiber doesn't really provide energy, but starches will so think like brown rice, sweet potatoes, things like that are common examples of complex carbohydrates.
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Slow digesting not much of an insulin response, but still get the carbs into your body.
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So the ones you can give children that won't make them act crazy.
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Yeah.
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Although I don't think, I think I read once that the sugar rush isn't like a real thing.
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Really.
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Yeah.
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So it doesn't really make you hyper to have sugar.
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It
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just makes you happy.
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Right.
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Hmm.
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Which kind of makes sense that it doesn't make you hyper to have sugar because we're gonna kind of talk about a little bit about how slow the replenishment is of the glucose from sugar.
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So it really tracks that it wouldn't really cause that kind of thing anyway.
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Yeah.
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So glucose, all the carbs, whether they're simple carbs or complex carbs, all just end up as glucose when they get broken down by your body.
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It's just a matter of how fast they get broken down.
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What's glucose?
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So glucose is something that goes into your bloodstream that your body uses for a lot of different functions.
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What's the chemical formula of glucose?
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I have no idea.
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You're the chemical engineer.
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Why don't you tell me?
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It's C six H 1206.
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That a very fun name.
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We should call it that from now on.
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I think so instead, instead of glucose.
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I think so too.
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So when glucose gets broken down in your body, it gets stored in your body as something called glycogen.
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It's mostly stored in the muscles, but there's also some stored in the liver and the brain, and you've got some circulating in your bloodstream as well.
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So when your blood glucose gets low.
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Your body can release these glycogen stores from various places in your body to kind of put the glucose back into your bloodstream for your body to be able to use that glucose.
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So while your body does use a lot of glucose in general, your muscles actually mostly use the glycogen.
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They have stored up themselves locally, so like your bicep muscle holding some glycogen will mostly use the glycogen that's stored in the bicep and when it, because when you do exercise or when you move your muscles, it uses up some of that glycogen store to, uh, to power something called uh, a TP, which is essentially how your muscles function.
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What is a TP.
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Adine Phosphate.
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I think
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so.
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Fun fact, when you're at rest, your brain actually uses 60% of the glucose that's circulating in your bloodstream.
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Uh, the brain is a very heavy user of the glucose you get from carbohydrates.
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So when you move your muscles, especially during exercise, 'cause you know you're moving your muscles a lot when you exercise, ideally, uh, it depletes the glycogen stores in those muscles.
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And the amount of glycogen you store and the amount of glycogen you use, uh, varies per person.
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It has a lot to do with your fitness level, your body weight, your muscle.
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And things like that.
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So, which exercise would burn the most?
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Probably the ones that use the bigger muscles.
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So a leg exercises
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like running,
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running would use a lot.
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Um, because you're
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moving a bunch.
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Yeah, actually.
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So I think the fastest way to burn it is to do like sprint intervals.
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Even though you're not doing a long duration of exercise, the amount of effort and the big leg muscles will deplete glycogen pretty fast.
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So just so you have an idea of kind of how you replenish the glycogen with carbohydrates for a professional athlete, the general daily recommendation is eight to 12 grams of carbohydrate per kilogram of body weight per day.
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Mm-hmm.
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Which is actually a pretty high amount you could end up mm-hmm.
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Eating like, uh, over 2000 calories a day just in carbohydrate if you're a professional athlete, because you do want to try to keep that.
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Glycogen level high and you're using it on a pretty regular basis.
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So
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this is interesting.
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So when you run out of glycogen while you're working out, is that when you start feeling really sluggish and tired in the middle of a workout?
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Yeah, at a certain point it starts to actually impair your muscle function.
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So you start to feel, you know, like your muscle can't do as much, you can't finish.
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This is what I'm gonna blame it on the next time I'm working out and can't finish.
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Well, we'll talk about that a little bit.
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No, this is what I'm blaming it on.
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Oh, okay.
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Fair enough.
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For general population, just interested in general fitness, you can probably aim for more to like five to seven grams per kilogram of body weight per day.
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It's a lot more reasonable target.
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So let's say you're eating MA at maintenance.
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Yeah.
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What percentage calorie wise is that?
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So at uh, maintenance calories for most people who are actually, you know, doing fitness and trying to optimize things, I think a good ballpark is probably around 60% of your calories come from carbohydrates.
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You know, that might be difficult to hit.
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That and a protein target, I would probably prioritize the protein.
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And then just get as much carbohydrate as you can.
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Now, would you go more carb heavy if, if your form of exercise is more leaning towards like running in cardio and more protein heavy, if you're like in more into weight lifting and stuff.
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Yeah, I think that could probably make sense, especially if you're running on a pretty regular basis or you run long races, especially, uh, because you do want to be able to keep that glycogen level up over time.
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You know, it's kind of a, a trend, so if you're, every day you're burning a little more than you're taking in and replenishing, then it's gonna go down over time and eventually you'll have to kind of load overload back up.
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So if you tend to run more than you lift weights, I think it would make sense to kind of.
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Tilt more towards carbohydrates than protein.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, speaking of replenishment, it can take, uh, up to 48 hours to really fully replenish your glycogen stores.
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So if you were just to not work out, get rest, eat carbohydrates at a pretty high level, to really fully replenish them, could take two days.
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Wow.
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How, how hard is it to completely deplete those stores?
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That seems like it'd be hard then.
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Somewhere in the ballpark of two hours, a moderate intensity exercise can take 'em down to the point where you're getting that compromised muscle function.
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What is like moderate?
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Is that weightlifting?
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Is that running?
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Yeah,
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I would just think of it as like a normal weightlifting session.
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Like if you were to go and do a lift that lasted two hours
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mm-hmm.
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You'd probably be pretty depleted to where you probably wouldn't be able to work out the next day.
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You'd have to, you know, rest and eat a bunch of carbs and come back the day after that to really get back to a point where you have no glycogen to optimally perform.
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What does that feel like?
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Is that just your muscles are tired, or are you just feeling low energy overall?
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Probably a little bit of both.
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Okay.
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So some ways to, uh, counteract this.
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You may have heard of like an intro workout drink.
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You know, you have people do pre-workout routines and drinks and stuff, post-workout drinks and stuff, but there are some people who do an intro workout drink.
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You see this a lot in bodybuilding.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because their workouts are really intense and they workout a couple times a day or really long sessions.
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So if you're gonna have a lifting session that's probably over about an hour, uh, you might start to consider something like an intra workout drink or some other supplement for carbohydrate,
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like a Gatorade.
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Gatorade is good.
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If you don't do the zeros, you do ones with actual sugar in it.
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Mm. Gatorade will work fine.
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You can also do, uh, there's dextrose, which is a popular supplement for bodybuilders for this, which is literally just like pure glucose.
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So you just mix it in.
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You're basically just drinking sugar water effectively.
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You're a hummingbird.
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Yes.
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It's not even colored though.
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It's just clear.
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So,
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oh, that's good.
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You're not supposed to feed hummingbirds the red dye anyway.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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This is new.
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Oh, I'll have to keep an eye on
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that.
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Yeah, don't do that.
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So dextrose is good 'cause it's a simple, it's a sugar, it digests pretty quickly.
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Gets in your bloodstream pretty quickly.
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Some other options, Oreos are a good option.
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You know, they're just sugar.
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Uh, fig bars are kind of a popular option 'cause they're almost healthy and a little better than Oreos.
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What about Swedish fish?
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Swedish fish?
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Yeah.
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I mean, pretty much anything with sugar, you probably have to eat a lot of Swedish fish.
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I can eat a lot of Swedish fish,
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uh, peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
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Another good one.
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That's a lot of carbs in that.
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So, uh, as long
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as you don't use that shitty keto bread.
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Yeah,
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I think, like you said though, the easiest option is probably just a Gatorade and that's, yeah, that's really common.
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And Swedish
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fish.
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And Swedish fish also, if you have multiple workouts in a day, probably a good idea.
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To do your workout, get about four hours break in between where you're eating a bunch of carbs and resting, uh, and then you'll probably have enough to go into it.
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You probably couldn't do two a days, like every day of the week because again, it'll, you'll trend down over time and you won't really get that glycogen store recovered up to where it needs to be to operate.
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And also, I have a job.
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Yeah, that would also stop you from doing it.
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So there is something called super compensation, which also can be referred to as carb loading.
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So you've probably heard of that, like runners before, a big marathon or something.
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Uh, you can effectively, you know, lower your training volume.
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Really increase your carbohydrate intake, lower your protein intake for a couple of days, get a lot of rest, do a pretty low training volume, and your, uh, glycogen stores will actually go into what they, they call a super compensated state, which is like overloaded with what they would normally be.
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Hmm.
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So you'll go into your race or whatever it is.
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With like higher than your normal glycogen store maximum.
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Uh, and you'll really be able to, you know, push that a lot further, especially if you do some kind of in intro thing.
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I think, uh, marathon runners and stuff pretty typically have a way to get carbohydrates during the race.
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But if you do the super compensation first, you know, you get a little longer before you run outta gas.
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Is this why the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles always ate pizza?
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I have to imagine.
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That's the only reason.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So you just wanna make sure you're eating plenty of carbohydrates.
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If you're starting to feel pretty fatigued over time, you might just look at your, uh, food tracker and make sure you're actually getting in enough carbohydrate and maybe just increase it a little bit, uh, in your general plan.
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Alright, so that's the breakdown on carbohydrates.