Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:00

Welcome to the Deficient Vegans podcast. This is episode 35. I'm the muscle deficient vegan here with the protein deficient vegan. Do you wanna say hi?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:06

Hi.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:06

Hi everybody. So it's still Veganuary. So we're gonna continue our theme for the month of highlighting some veganism specific topics and vegan causes. So this week we're gonna talk about a bunch of vegan documentaries that we watched and what was good about them, mainly so that you can have recommendations to give to people. And we're gonna kind of go over maybe which documentary might be a good fit for which type of person.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:29

We binged so many documentaries.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:33

Yeah, that's true. It was a good time though.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:35

It was.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:36

Yeah. Um, a little bit of a depressing time, but a good time.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:41

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:43

Also, we're gonna have our myth of the week. This week the myth is that you need performance supplements or gym supplements to, uh, really make progress in the gym.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:51

Oh, well that seems true, right?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:53

You would think it is based off of how many supplements I have downstairs. But no.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:58

Your cabinet's a lie? Okay, find out.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:04

But first up, new news.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:05

New news.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:07

So, uh, the first topic we have here is talking about some disappointing developments in some popular companies.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:13

Really disappointing stuff actually.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:15

Yeah. So the first one is the Body Shop, which does car repair after you get in a car accident. Is that right?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:23

Uh, no. Oh.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:24

Oh, tell me about it then.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:25

So, okay, so the body shop is more of like, uh, skincare type of stuff. Okay. Okay. Like body stuff.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:34

Oh, like your body?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:35

Yeah, I guess your human body.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:37

Nobody could ever get those confused.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:40

Okay. So basically here's the situation. The Body Shop went fully vegan back in 2024, made a huge deal about it. Had a whole campaign with a bunch of ads, and it was very like, they wanted everyone to know they were vegan. Right.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:57

That's pretty cool.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:58

Yeah. It does sound cool, doesn't it?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 2:01

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 2:02

Okay, so this week on Instagram, vegan Beauty girl broke the news that maybe there's someone before her, but that's, this is the one I saw. They are not fully vegan anymore. Oh yeah. So she emailed them and this was their response. We can confirm that 100% of our product formulas are vegetarian and the majority are also vegan. However, we can no longer claim to be a hundred percent vegan due to the introduction of a few specific product ranges. Because of this, we've updated our communications and no longer advertise ourselves as a hundred percent vegan.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 2:36

Okay. So they did a big campaign about going a hundred percent vegan. Yeah. Yeah. And then they did another campaign about We're no longer vegan anymore. No. Oh.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 2:44

Yeah. No. They just quietly became not fully vegan and then didn't really tell anybody.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 2:49

Wow.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 2:50

Which is bullshit because if you're a vegan and now you're shopping at the body shop thinking all these products are vegan, so I don't need to read the labels, which is how. I would've felt.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:00

Yeah. I mean, yeah. And then all of a sudden that's sudden, sudden that's one of the benefits of a places is hundred percent vegan is you.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:04

Which is why they advertise it. Yeah. And I bet they got a lot of traffic for it. Yeah. And then they just quietly quit being fully vegan and didn't say a damn word. So.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:13

Yeah. I'm sure there are still a lot of articles out there that say the body shop's fully vegan.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:16

When you google it. Yeah, yeah. They haven't formally said they weren't vegan, so.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:20

That's really unfortunate.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:21

Screw you body shop. I mean, and the funniest part is they didn't have to go vegan, right? No one made you go vegan. Like, uh, I go to, I use Lush a lot and I don't think they've, they've never claimed to be fully vegan. Most of their products are vegan. I would rather shop at a place that never says they're fully vegan and stays that way than one that comes out as fully vegan to get a bunch of money and then quietly quits veganism.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:46

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:46

That's just my opinion.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:47

Next up is the company Planta, which has some restaurants.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:51

Yeah. So if you're from Chicago, you've probably heard of Planta Queen, but they also have a bunch of restaurants in other countries and other cities.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:58

Okay.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:58

It's like a fully vegan, semi upscale dining experience. I don't know.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:04

Yeah. If by upscale you mean dark and loud, I guess.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 4:06

It's very loud. And expensive.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:08

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 4:09

Um, but apparently they're thinking about maybe adding some animal products.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:14

Yeah. And this is based on the.plantissier somebody on Instagram put out the survey that they had gotten ahold of from Planta, asking a whole bunch of questions, a few of which were basically like, um, how would you feel if we added fish and eggs to the menu?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 4:30

Yeah. It was interesting. It was like a soft launch into maybe offering non-vegan food. And for me that was actually a hard launch. I'm not eating there again.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:43

Uh, yeah. And it, and just as a side note, if you are in like the Chicagoland area, uh, the.plantissier has a lot of good information on like the local restaurants. Yeah. You can follow them on Instagram at the dot. P-L-A-N-T-I-S-S-I-E-R planter.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 5:01

Yeah. They go to all kinds of vegan restaurants in Chicago and they post on threads a lot. A lot of really good stuff.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 5:06

Yeah. Cool. Uh, yeah, next up there's a new book on the shelves if, do we get a lot of questions about like gut health specific things? Mm-hmm. It seems like a lot of people who are interested in veganism also have an interest in gut health, which is like a really nuanced, complicated topic that even the actual gut doctors aren't too clear on a lot of the time.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 5:26

So we usually can't help, right?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 5:31

Yeah. But, um, Dr. Will Bulsawicz released a new book and apparently he's a widely known gastroenterologist, uh, but he released a new book called Plant Powered Plus, which goes over a lot of different ways that plants can maybe help with gut health and inflammation and things like that. Yeah. You know, it's not our area of expertise, so we can't really vet the information, but with all the questions we do get about that kind of thing, uh, it might be a useful resource for you to read.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:00

Yeah. I do wanna note that, you know, we have the book and we looked through it, and there are three non-vegan recipes in the back. I think this is mostly for people that are maybe transitioning to a plant-based diet to help them get there. He's doesn't seem to really be promoting animal.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:15

Yeah. I didn't see anything in the book about like, animal products are good for these reasons. Yeah. Anything like that. It really seemed like you should really be eating all plants, but if you're really hung up on fish or eggs or something, here's how you make it warm. Yeah. It was, it was very transitional it seemed like to me.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:31

But might be good to know if you're thinking about buying it just so you're not like, what the hell? Now. To get to the tofu of the podcast. Get it like the meat and potatoes, but we're vegan, so it's like tofu and potatoes. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:45

I I get it. I get it.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:46

He likes it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:47

Clever girl. So yeah, let's talk about these documentaries. I think one of the best ways to influence other people to go vegan is to know all the reasons why maybe a plant-based diet or veganism is appealing.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 7:02

Of which there are many reasons.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 7:03

Yeah, there are definitely a lot of reasons that might make you think, uh, I should try this or I should do this.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 7:09

I'm personally a vegan for the animals, but I know a lot of people go plant-based for various reasons, and in my opinion, reduction in animal consumptions are reduction in animal harms, even if their reasons aren't the same as mine. So I think we want to help people do that. Yeah. For whatever reason they want. Yeah. In my opinion.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 7:24

There are a lot of people who really won't be moved by the animal welfare aspect of veganism. So there are a couple of different approaches that you can take that might make them more interested. Uh, they might care about the environment, they might care about their health. They might just really want to not do what society tells them to do. Yeah. What the government tells them to do. Uh, so it's helpful to have some other resources that can change their mind that aren't specifically focused on animal welfare all the time.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 7:49

Yeah. So we binge watched like a shit ton of vegan films over the last week and a half, and we're gonna go briefly over each of them and give you some highlights on and like tell you who they might appeal to so that you're armed with info to spread vegan cheer year round.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:06

That's right. So I'm gonna just briefly go through the list of the, uh, movies we're gonna be talking about here. So we have the punk Rock vegan movie, we have Cowspiracy, Forks Over Knives, the Game Changers, what The Health, Seaspiracy. I could Never Go Vegan, the Invisible Vegan, Food Inc., Eating animals, Vegucated, plant Pure Nation, earthlings and Dominion.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:37

I told you there were a lot, we've really been watching a lot of tv.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:42

So first up, let's talk about the punk rock vegan movie, which I had never even heard of before we found it the other day.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:47

No, and I think it's potentially my favorite vegan movie at this point.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:51

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:51

I really liked it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:52

It came out in 2023 and it was directed and written by Moby.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:57

Who's a really cool guy, and there's a special cameo from his dog bagel. Oh, so like a really great selling point in my opinion.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:06

Yeah, the dog, the dog parts of the movie are probably among the best parts of the movie.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:10

Oh, it's a masterpiece.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:12

Yeah, the dog talks.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:13

The dog. Yeah. Spoiler alert. The dog talks. Ann plays, uh, chess, I think, right? Or was it Checkers?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:21

And plays board games.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:22

Very talented dog.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:24

Alright. Um, you can watch that on Tubi YouTube or Amazon Prime.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:28

Yeah. I thought this one was really great, especially because I'm someone who likes rock music and I, I don't know, I, I feel like I've never really fit into like, social norms, especially like going vegetarian so young and I always liked, I don't know, more rock music than everyone else around me. Yeah. Especially like growing up in Kentucky, a lot of people were listening to country music and I was like, no, I, I really like system of a town.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:56

They have a guitar. It's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Um. It was really cool to see like the history of punk music and how it tied into veganism and animal rights. I never really realized that, uh, you know, that that scene was so tied to like vegan ideas and like very vocal about it. Really? Oh, it was, they're like songs, so cool. Entire song, entire bands actually around making songs about veganism and animal rights specifically.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 10:21

Yeah. I thought it was also interesting they were talking about how like at the end of the shows where they had a merch table, they also had like pamphlets Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 10:28

Yeah. On

Protein Deficient Vegan: 10:28

how to go vegan and stuff, which is really neat.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 10:31

Very punk.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 10:32

Um, I don't know. So for me, what I really liked about this is they really showed veganism as this really cool thing, and I had never really felt like veganism was like. Considered cool before, you know? Yeah, yeah. But like, it makes so much sense because veganism is anti-establishment and it's anti-capitalism, and it's like seeing past what the government and corporations tell you to believe. Yeah. So, yeah, of course. It's fucking cool.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 10:59

Also there's a lot of really cool cameos in the movie there from musicians. A lot of, there are a lot of musicians who are apparently vegan from pretty big bands that I didn't know about. Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 11:07

There were a lot of really cool cameos. If you like rock or punk music, you should watch it just for the cameos. Also, I liked it because it's a, it's a really different vibe for many of the other vegan movies that we watched, and I feel like it could really influence like a completely different demographic than the most vegan films. Yeah. Target. I don't know. Did you feel that way? Like it's just, I just, it's like a completely different vibe from any other vegan movie I've ever watched.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 11:35

Yeah. It's, it's totally a different type of thing. It's not really about like the, the science as it as it is about like the emotion.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 11:43

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 11:44

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 11:44

And it's like, it touches on history, which is interesting. And you know, you obviously see all of these like. Famous musicians. Um, I don't know. I just, I left the movie feeling like, man, I'm part of a really cool club, which I've never felt like that before. So I think it's, it's, it's a good way to get a movie to make you feel, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I feel cool.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:06

So, uh, going back to like who each of these documentaries might be a good fit for this one might be a good fit for like, somebody who sees himself as a rebel, you know, uh, anybody who's questioning the government, big punk rock fan. If you see somebody walking around with like, Liberty Spikes probably a good candidate for this kind of movie. Yeah. Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 12:23

Don't you wanna be in the really cool kid club? I don't know. Go vegan. So I don't know. I think this one was my favorite personally.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:32

Yeah, it was. Cool. Uh, next up is Cowspiracy came out in 2014. This one's pretty popular. Uh, you can see this on Netflix, Amazon Prime, YouTube, and Apple TV. At least.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 12:43

This was one of the first vegan documentaries that I personally stumbled upon. Um, I think it's, it's definitely more of an environmental angle, but it also touches on some animal welfare stuff too.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:54

Yeah. This one is about mostly the environmental impact of the meat and dairy industry and how, you know, they feel like it's the number one environmental threat over everything else.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 13:04

Yeah. Yes. Higher than oil and gas transportation. Isn't that nuts? Because you never hear about that. Yeah. And

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 13:13

it seems like based on the movie, not many people wanna talk about it.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 13:15

Oh, I know. A big theme theme of the movie was how large environmental organizations continue to like fail us because they mostly won't acknowledge it and they also won't do anything about it. Yeah. For me, like I worked in the oil and gas industry, so like I found this wildly fascinating because in the oil and gas industry, like everyone knows their pollutants, right? Like yeah. Everyone knows it's a massive, everyone knows their polluters. It's like, but yeah, you right now you need gas for driving vehicles and all kinds and like planes and all kinds of other stuff, you know? Right. But like, it's really interesting because you talk to people that aren't even super big environmentalists and they're just like, oh, you work at the refinery, that place is gross and blah, blah, blah. But then meanwhile, the animal industry just gets away with it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 14:02

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 14:02

And also like.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 14:03

Because it's food, you have to have food.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 14:05

Do you have to have that food?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 14:07

I mean, that was sarcasm.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 14:10

I just also think, okay, here's the other thing that I find interesting as someone who worked in oil and gas is like, I know that oil and gas has their hand of Congress's butt, right? Yeah. They're puppeteering stuff, but like obviously they're not doing as good of a job as the meat and dairy industry because like every couple years we have to put in some kind of like new processing, uh, unit or something that cleans up the air better, right? Yeah. Like some kind of like environmental protection, like, and things get more and more strict for the oil and gas industries, which I'm not saying is a bad thing. Yeah. But what I find interesting is like they're not really doing, requiring any of that for the meat and dairy industries and like these are in far more towns than like refineries and chemical plants. Yeah. I don't know. I just found that interesting. Like whoever is lobbying for meat and dairy is, it's obviously doing a great job. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:05

Yeah, so this one would probably be, this movie would probably be good for somebody, you know, who's like really into the environment, really into climate change. Uh, because I think this one would definitely influence them more towards, you know, the veganism.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 15:15

I think they'd be shocked. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:17

Next up is Forks Over Knives. This one is one of the first ones that I watched and I really liked it. Uh, this was released in 2011. Uh, you can watch it on Tubi, YouTube, Amazon Prime and Apple TV at least. Uh, they talk about the idea that most, if not all of the degenerative diseases that, you know, humans can get basically, and the most likely causes of death long term. Uh, those can be potentially controlled or even reversed by eating a plant-based diet.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 15:45

Yeah, I felt like it was really similar to. Like the book How Not to Die, kind of. Mm-hmm. It touched on really similar topics.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:53

Yeah. And you know, this is another one. There, there are a couple movies like this, but basically they grab, some people have 'em do a plant-based diet and all of their blood work improves dramatically.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 16:03

It's so crazy.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 16:03

It's time and time again. Like every time somebody, and you know, for me personally as well, when I'm at vegan, like, you know, I had relatively high cholesterol. It wasn't like clinically high, but I was getting there and I was, you know, like, oh, I gotta start thinking about this. And then I go vegan. And it was like over two or three months, it just plummets to.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 16:18

It

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 16:18

was

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almost too low. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 16:19

I mean, it's still like clinically low now, which is luckily not an issue. But, uh, yeah, I mean the, and that's the main one they focus on in most of these movies as well as cholesterol. But it just, it just plummets every time almost. Oh, yeah. I don't wanna say every time, but for so many people, just switching to a, a vegan diet, especially a whole food, plant-based diet is like a dramatic improvement in your blood work.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 16:40

And it's crazy how short of a time period. Oh yeah. It is too. Some of these movies are like. It's two weeks. Yeah. And you can already see a change.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 16:48

Yeah, so they have a ton of information and resources in addition to the documentary. They've got a website, they've got a cookbook recipe books, they've got a whole recipe blog situation.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 16:56

They also have like online cooking classes you can take too.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 16:59

Yeah. They have an app. Uh, and again, that is, that's, this is mostly focused around whole food, plant-based diet. Yeah. So it's not like a normal vegan diet, quote unquote.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:08

This is, yeah. This is. A health focused, plant-based diet.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:12

Yeah, for sure.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:12

It didn't really, that I can recall, I don't think they really touched on animal welfare or anything like that. It was very health focused.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:18

So if you have anybody that really cares about their health or is having health issues, especially like if you're getting older, your cholesterol is creeping up, you're starting to worry about high blood pressure. Uh, I would probably watch the documentary. Obviously still work with your doctors and stuff, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's really interesting for that kind of thing.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:34

We're not like saying this is a magic cure-all. No, no. But there's a lot of interesting science around it. Yeah. So

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:38

for sure.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:40

Cool.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:40

Uh, next up is the Game Changers. One of my personal favorites. Uh, probably my favorite actually. Overall, I would say. Oh, I know.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:47

I think this is, was this the first one you actually watched? Because I remember I sent you a clip about it. There's a clip in there.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:53

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:54

Where they. They measure the erections of, of men who ate different things.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:02

Yeah, the overnight erection, like girth and intensity basically.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:06

Guys, I was trying to convince him to go vegan when he moved in. So I sent him this and I was like, Hey, I'm mean, I'm just saying this could be something you wanna consider.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:16

So this came out in 2018. Uh, it's on Amazon Prime, YouTube, apple tv. Um, yes, vegans have scientifically proven better erections.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:25

It's science.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:26

Guys, science.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:26

You can't argue it's science.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:27

Um, and also this movie really highlights, that's not what the movie's about necessarily.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:31

That's actually the entire movie.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:33

Uh, this movie really highlights elite athletes being able to do what they do, uh, as a vegan, right? So there's like some power lifters, some endurance athletes some football, basketball players, things like that. So, uh, really good just for anybody who's focused on, um, trying to be strong, trying to be athletic and maybe, uh, hesitant to go vegan because they think it's gonna impact their performance with that kind of thing.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:58

Yeah. Yeah, I think this is what you, you would send someone that says you can't be strong or build muscle on a plant-based diet.'cause there are a lot of people disproving that in this film.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:06

Yeah. And this is another one that's pretty much exclusively like health and performance based. This is more about performance based health than it is like, um, general lung longevity based health.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:16

Right? Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:16

Uh, and not so much about animal animal stances.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:20

Yeah. It's more of like, what can you do, like, right. I think it's more of addressing that there are no limitations Right. Physically or athletically on a plant-based diet.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:30

Right. And that was one of the big takeaways I had from it. Like, you know, there's. Like in anything, there are some pieces of it where it's like, okay, what's really the science behind that? But the real big takeaway for me was, oh, there's not really anything you can't do physically as a vegan. Yeah.'cause like it's got, you know, it has Olympians, it has champions. Like the people that are in the movie are like at the highest level of their field. Mm-hmm. So, uh, I mean, there's just clearly not any like, actual limitation to performance based on the vegan diet. Next up is what the health, this came out in 2017. You can watch it on Netflix, Amazon Prime, apple tv, and YouTube at least.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:05

This film is mostly around uncovering possibly. The largest health secret of our time and the collusion between large industries, the government, the pharmaceutical industry, and health organizations that are keeping it from us. And like, it gives very much like conspiracy vibes, but it's not a conspiracy. Like this is real life.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 20:25

There's, there's an old quote from, uh, George Carlin the comedian, and he said that there's no need for a formal conspiracy when interests converge. Mm. And I think about that a lot because it's not like these guys are all necessarily like in their little cloaks in a back room saying like, how do we screw the people? Sure. It's just all these different interests align at the same point. So they all protect their own interest and that really is a negative consequence for, you know, people who are really worried about their health.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:52

So, yeah. And I think that's true for this because it's basically like in this country eating meat and dairy. Right? Right. But they also lobby. In Congress, in the government. Yeah. And so since Congress and the government gets money from those industries, they have to protect their interests over your interest. Yeah. So that they can get reelected and stuff.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:12

Especially, and you know, on the company side, a lot of these are publicly traded companies, so they're profit driven.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:17

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:17

It is a little health focused, but mostly digs into like that corruption, collusion.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:21

It will piss you off. Like every time I watch it, I get enraged because I, you just think about it, it's like, if we were just be honest about what the science shows. If we would just, if the government would just actually give people recommendation based on science and not special interest from corporations, the country would be so much healthier. Medical costs would go down, like, yeah. We'd be in a better place Yeah. As a society. So it's really frustrating to watch it, but I really appreciate them putting it out there.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:55

Yeah. Maybe we'll get there one day. Hmm. So yeah, anybody who's like focused or concerned about their health, um, from like a medical perspective, this would be a good one for.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 22:04

Or anyone that needs another reason to be pissed off at the government, which I already have many reasons right now, but why not add another?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 22:13

Uh, next we have Seaspiracy. This one's kind of new, came out in 2021. Uh, this is actually Netflix only. This is a Netflix original documentary.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 22:20

Yeah. It's really similar to Cowspiracy, except this one covers, um, sea animals instead of land animals. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 22:28

Hence the name.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 22:30

Seaspiracy instead of Cowspiracy.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 22:33

This documents the harm that humans do to marine species and talks about quite a bit of the fishing industry. Oh. Things like that.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 22:41

Oh my God. This one. This one's crazy. I mean, I, I guess I thought it was gonna be mostly like the environmental impacts, but there is so much going on with this, this one, I feel like I learned more stuff than any of the other ones. Maybe I just knew a lot of the other stuff. Yeah. But this one was nuts.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 22:59

And I also wanna point out we're in the US but most of these movies talk about things that are not US specific.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 23:04

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 23:04

This is like a global issue. This one is especially like a global issue because when you add in the sea you're in and out of jurisdictions in some areas don't really have jurisdiction. Right. So there's a lot more going on in these places.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 23:15

Yeah. And that specifically I think is the reason why there is so much corruption is like. Nobody like fully owns the waters they're fishing in. So it's really hard to keep tabs and like, they can't really have people go out and audit how they're doing things. So there's just rampant corruption.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 23:33

Yeah. So one of the things that highlights is how there's a big intersection of like human trafficking and slavery, indentured servitude and things like that, that are being leveraged by some of the bigger fishing boats.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 23:46

I thought that was interesting because I haven't really heard of that.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 23:48

Yeah. I hadn't either hadn't.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 23:49

Outside of this documentary, like you hear a lot of things about the diamond industry. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that are very anti-diamond for that reason.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 23:58

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 23:58

And it's like, why is the fishing industry not in those conversations too? Right. I don't know. I agree. That was just my takeaway from that.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 24:03

In a lot of parts of the world, human trafficking is a huge problem and uh, this is one of those parts, apparently.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 24:08

Yeah. Apparently the fishing industry is also, um, basically the mafia. I don't know. That was my takeaway.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 24:15

Yeah, there was, there was definitely some strange stuff and I don't know, you know, this one's hard 'cause. Um, I, I don't know exactly what the fishing industry is. It seems like there's a lot of just independent fishers that just go and sell their fish, but there are definitely, they had some stories about.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 24:30

Yeah, we're not talking about like your neighbor that goes fishing and sells his fish at the fish market. We're talking about like large scale fishing operations.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 24:38

Right? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely Some, some scary and strange stuff going on there.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 24:43

Yeah. Apparently. Um, I don't know if you guys know this, they're intentionally killing whales right now for meat. Did they, did everyone know this but me? There were, there was this whole part of the movie where this guy was like, yeah, I'm a good person because I only kill one whale, and like, other people have to kill like 20 fish to make up that meat. And I was like, oh, okay. But I didn't know. I guess maybe I'm naive. I didn't know we were still killing whales.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 25:08

Yeah. I definitely didn't know people were eating whale meat.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 25:12

Yeah. That was crazy to me.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 25:14

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 25:14

And then apparently they're also intentionally killing dolphins to get away with overfishing and just like the whole bycatch thing. So you have these massive fishing nets that are dredging the ocean and yes, you're catching the fish you want, but you're also catching like whales and sea turtles and dolphins and all of the adorable, cute animals that like if you ask anyone, they're gonna say, I love dolphins. Yeah. I love sea turtles. Well, that's what's happening. Those are dying too.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 25:43

Well, the interesting part to me was when they talked about the dolphin safe labels. Yeah. Uh, apparently that's like very poorly monitored. Like they have people that are called monitors. That apparently very rarely actually go out to the boats to make sure there are no dolphins being caught. It's just kind of like an honor system. Mm-hmm. And then they've had a couple monitors that go like missing on the high seas and Yeah. Some other scary things like that.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 26:06

That's the mafia part. And then you have these like marine and environmental organizations and stuff right. That are telling people the best way to preserve sea life is to eat sustainable fish sources. Right. Which is, that's not a thing, but, but there was this interesting part where they were like, so wouldn't the option be to just stop eating fish? Yeah. And then the one girl said it and then her boss was like, no, she did not say that. Yeah. And got real pissed and turned the camera off. It was very spicy. Um. Oh. But we also learned that the ocean is a huge carbon sink.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 26:45

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 26:45

For the environment. And also we're destroying that too.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 26:49

Yeah. So, uh, a lot going on in the ocean that I was not really aware of.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 26:52

Yeah. They said that the current prediction is that the seas will be empty by 2048 if we don't stop overfishing.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 27:01

Uh, yeah. That's pretty soon.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 27:02

Is like terrifying, honestly. I think I saw something and I don't hopeful.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 27:06

Hopefully that prediction's way off.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 27:09

I saw something, and I don't think it was in this movie, but I saw that there's more plastic in the ocean currently than sea Life.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 27:16

Wow.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 27:17

This, which like, guys, we fucked up.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 27:21

Yeah. So who this one would be good for? It's uh, anybody who cares about the planet, the environment. Specifically people who care about dolphins and whales and sea life.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 27:30

Yeah. Like if you have a mom right. That collects glass dolphin figurines or wear sea turtle necklaces, send it to her.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 27:38

Yeah. Or anybody particularly sensitive about human trafficking, which you would think could be everybody.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 27:44

It's gotta like covers a lot. This one covered a lot. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 27:48

Uh, next up is an even newer one. Uh, I could never go vegan.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 27:52

Yes. This one was your favorite.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 27:54

Yeah, it was really interesting. Um, it came out in 2024. Uh, we can watch this on Amazon Prime, YouTube and Apple tv. At least this one is kinda like a little myth busting movie.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 28:04

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 28:04

And they take a lot of the popular objections and myths. Kind of like a lot of the content that I make at least. And, um, go through and explain to people like, okay, this is the objection. This is why that objection doesn't really make sense. And there's probably like 10 of those throughout the whole movie. Oh yeah. They do a great

Protein Deficient Vegan: 28:18

job.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 28:18

I feel like if I was talented enough to make a movie, this is the format I would use to try to convince people.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 28:22

You'd have to get. Oh cool. British accent though.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 28:25

Yeah, no, that definitely helps. Makes the, makes you movie so smart.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 28:28

Oh my gosh. It really did. The accent made the movie.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 28:30

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 28:31

Congratulations sir.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 28:33

Yeah, so one of the big takeaways, and I think this one is, you know, um, fairly well known, but probably not like super well known.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 28:39

I don't think I really understood this. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 28:41

But so the, an using antibiotics in the, uh, livestock that ends up as food is causing us humans who eat that food or not us, obviously, but humans, I've eaten that food I'll say, causing us humans who eat that food to be more resistant to antibiotics when we need it, because we get sick.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 29:00

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 29:01

We've heard a lot in the past about not using antibiotics to treat like every little thing because we cause like super bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics and things like that. So we have that issue kind of multiplied by the fact that the antibiotics are also in our food source, so we can't really avoid 'em entirely. Right.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 29:19

And I think there was some, I don't think it was this movie, but another movie mentioned that 80% of all antibiotics are used in factory farming, which was a crazy statistic.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 29:27

Oh, that is crazy. Yeah. I've seen labels on stuff that's like antibiotic free, you know, and, uh, at this point I don't really trust many of those labels. It's like grass fed doesn't really mean the cow's like wandering around in a pasture eating grass. It just means they're getting grass dumped on their head in their cramped environment. So a lot of these labels are like, okay, let me find the loophole that allows me to put this label on my product and charge twice as much for it.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 29:49

It's like the dolphin free tuna. Yeah. No, it's not guys. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 29:51

Anyway, I'd be really hesitant if you're using those labels as a way to justify what you're eating, but I guess that's probably another story.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 29:56

Yeah. There was some fairly graphic footage in this one. Uh, I am very sensitive to that, so I just kind of, uh, close my eyes and let him, and he tells me when I can open 'em.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 30:06

So who this one would be good for? This one's actually really beginner friendly. This one for somebody who is kind of like, oh, I wish I could go vegan, but this and that and this and that. Yeah. This one is great for just breaking down a lot of those really popular common, you know, objections.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 30:21

I would be shocked if you have an objection that's not covered in this video.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 30:24

Yeah. Next up we have the Invisible Vegan. This one's in 2019. Um, you can watch it on Amazon Prime Tubi, YouTube or Apple tv.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 30:34

This one explores the problems of unhealthy dietary patterns in the black community and focuses on health and wellness possibilities of a plant-based diet. It also covers like a ton of other reasons to go vegan as well. I would say it's actually kind of similar to the, like I could never go vegan format. Yeah. Where she's like busting all of the myths, but there's also just like a big focus on the black community, which I found really interesting.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 30:57

Yep. There's also, uh, a whole lot of black owned vegan restaurants, uh, and it seems like black Americans really lead a lot of the vegan movement here in America.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 31:07

Yeah. They're always leading the good movements and we're always a little step behind, so thank you. Here's a cool statistic I found, like after I watched the movie, is that, um, black Americans are nearly three times more likely to follow vegan diets than the general population.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 31:22

Yeah. I thought that was really cool.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 31:23

I thought that was awesome. And then this documentary also covered some history as well like, um, famous activists and stuff that were vegetarian or vegan. Rosa Parks was apparently a vegetarian, which I didn't know.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 31:38

Yeah. And, um, I guess actually this podcast will come out on MLK day, so Coretta Scott King was a vegan.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 31:44

Yes. Which is really neat. Honestly, I feel like this documentary would be good for anybody who's interested in a plant-based diet because it covers a lot of the reasons why you might go plant-based. I think it kind of covered the full spectrum.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 31:55

Yeah. This one touched on, uh, animal welfare a little bit, but it is mostly focused on health and trying to improve the health.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 32:01

And then I think it moved into some other reasons. Like it, it did touch on like the environmental aspects and the animal rights aspects. It, it, by the end, I think it kind of covered everything. Yeah. But it, it was mostly focused on health. But anyways, go hit up your local black owned vegan businesses'cause they're doing a lot of work.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 32:18

Yeah. Oh, and also this one, the Invisible Vegan is named after a person. Yes. So on Instagram and you know, all the other socials. That's her handle. The Invisible Vegan. Right. So look her up. Cool. Next up is Food Inc. This came out in 2008. You can watch this on Amazon Prime, Tubi, YouTube, apple tv, or the Roku channel at least.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 32:37

This is another one that pissed me off.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 32:39

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 32:40

It's like the corporations and the government are evil because they're profiting off the country's poor health. That was my takeaway.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 32:45

Yeah. And uh, there was a segment in there about Oprah being sued for talking shit about burgers. During Mad Cow Disease, though during Mad Cow Disease, she was like, I won't eat burgers anymore. And I guess she got sued. I don't know.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 32:58

That's crazy. They can sue you. I'm not gonna eat burgers anymore. Whatcha gonna be about to do about that big beef? There was a lot of stuff about the seed industry specifically in farming. Yeah. There's a certain company and um, they do this thing where they won't let you replant your own seeds.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 33:15

Yeah. They, they tightly control basically how their seeds are used to plant crops. And then they also have, you know, pesticides that, uh, the, the reason the seeds are customized is basically so you can spray pesticide and it will only kill the things you want to kill and not kill the crops. That was the original intention of that kind of seed.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 33:33

Unless your neighbor's using a different seed and then you kill all of his crops.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 33:36

Yeah. And that's one of the big problems for sure. And then, yeah, they don't allow you to replant your seed. So, uh, there are a lot of farmers that are basically stuck on the hook having to buy their seeds year after year when, you know, technically they could replant them.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 33:47

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 33:48

There are a lot of issues there.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 33:49

There was a lot of, uh, shady. Seedy stuff going on.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 33:53

Oh, that's good.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 33:55

But yeah, I mean, if you wanna get pissed off, this is another good one to watch. Let the anger flow through you.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 34:03

Yeah. This, this one, this one really focuses on, um, like the companies that are involved. Yeah. And they don't always seem to be aligned with our interests.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 34:12

They're never aligned with our interests. They're aligned with their own interests to make money.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 34:16

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 34:16

So I think this one would be good for anyone that, um, just wants to be mad at the government and evil corporations. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 34:24

Next up is eating animals. So this came out in 2017. Uh, you can watch it on Amazon Prime, YouTube, apple tv, at least.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 34:32

This is actually based on the book that turned me vegan.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 34:35

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 34:36

And apparently it also turned Natalie Portman Vegan. And so she produced and narrated this movie

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 34:42

That's really cool.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 34:43

Which I mean, Natalie Portman's really cool. So you should watch it because Natalie Portman is narrating it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 34:48

This one kind of goes through and dispels the myth that the meat you get in the grocery store is from small quote unquote humane farms from like local farmers.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 34:56

Yeah. I thought this one was interesting because a lot of people you talk to will kind of understand the evils of factory farming. Yeah. But they're under the illusion that they are somehow not buying that meat.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 35:13

Right.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 35:13

And so I think this one was really interesting'cause it really shows that. There are very few small farms left. And I feel like kind of to get the meat that's coming from those small farms, you have to know those people.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 35:24

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 35:25

Like it's not gonna be at grocery stores.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 35:27

Yeah. You know, I, I grew up in the country and there's definitely a lot of like, Hey, do you want to buy this stuff? I grew on my farm specifically and, you know, one-on-one deals like that, you're not getting that at the grocery store.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 35:37

No, you're not. So, I don't know, I thought that was kind of interesting. Um, I do think it was a little too nice to the farm. It kind of made the farmers seem a little heroic. The small farmers.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 35:52

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 35:53

Um, there are a lot of, of them

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 35:54

who, who appear to be torn, but they keep doing it. And I guess, you know, it's their livelihood. But, uh, yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 36:03

Yeah. I don't know. It it, it painted people a little heroically that have small farms, which I thought was a little odd. Um, but I will say that the guy that wrote the book is not actually vegan. Yeah. So. I don't know whether this was the message he wanted or not. I think it's a good message to get people to go vegan because most people aren't gonna be able to access like, quote unquote humanely grown cows and stuff like that. Right. So I think that, I think it's a good piece to like get you to understand that you might think you're buying humane meat sources, but you're not.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 36:36

Yeah. And it also had a big part in there about the big pink pools of pig shit that flood everything Right. And seep into our waterways in

Protein Deficient Vegan: 36:43

North Carolina specifically. Yeah. Apparently there's lots of, uh, big pink pools of pig shit Yeah. That are bad for the environment and your health.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 36:50

Sounds great.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 36:51

Yeah. Coming to a town near you if it keeps going this way.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 36:58

Yeah. So this one would be good for anybody who tries to tell you that they buy like humanely farmed meat, um, or like free roam chicken, eggs, grass fed beef, all that stuff. Kinda what we were talking about with the labels. Anybody who uses that as an excuse for why they are not really harming animals might not want to go vegan, this would be good to kind of open their eyes a little bit.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 37:17

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 37:18

Um, next, or anyone

Protein Deficient Vegan: 37:19

that doesn't want pink pools of pig shit in their neighborhood and they overflow and it rains and stuff. Oh man. Yeah, it's not good guys.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 37:29

Uh, next is Vegucated. This came out in 2011. Watch this. Uh, only on Amazon Prime, I think. At least in the us.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 37:35

Yeah, that's the only place we could find it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 37:37

Um, so we had recently Stu from Veganuary on our podcast and he mentioned that this was one of his favorites and he had watched it. Yeah. So he had to go check it out.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 37:46

I loved it. It had a very early two thousands vibe. It was a very vibey movie. Yeah. In general, I felt like.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 37:54

Yeah. So this one took like three meat and cheese, loving New Yorkers who agreed to adopt a vegan diet for six weeks, and just kind of followed them around as they learned things and went through that process and tried the food and it was like a very real, real world take on, like just, yeah. Bucking somebody off the street and like having them go through the mindset shift of going, you know, vegan.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 38:18

Yeah. I feel like this one and punk rock vegan movies are like the only ones that I would consider like fun watches. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Like, like they were entertaining as well as informative, but this one was like really fun to watch and it was really easy to follow. And I think it has a lot more personality than most of the other ones just because it has a couple different people. And, um, the. The, like the woman that's like narrating it and, and teaching people about veganism. She's really entertaining and you just got a lot of different personalities from the people going vegan. I don't know, it just felt like an easier one to watch. It's more of like a reality TV show vibe, I guess.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 38:55

Yeah. Yeah. It was really interesting. The most interesting part to me was like watching their perspective slowly shift. So you start out with these people who are really, um, skeptical and like they really like the food they're eating and they're like, oh, I don't know if I can do this. And then like halfway through the movie, they're like raging about the way animals are treated and like, I don't, I can't believe this is happening. And you know, I don't think all of them ended up staying vegan, which is like just that human thing we do where we can close off some of that. But, uh, I think one, at least one of them did remain mostly vegan. And then, um, the other ones they did a follow up. I think

Protein Deficient Vegan: 39:27

they're like vegetarian or mostly vegetarian. Yeah. They definitely changed their eating habits.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 39:31

Right.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 39:32

Yeah. But it was, it was interesting because basically, um, she's kind of putting him through like a vegan bootcamp more or less like, Hey, here are like the reasons you should stay vegan based on like animal welfare. I think they watched a film and then, uh, she took him to a sanctuary. Um, they toured a, like a close down slaughterhouse, I think. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But there was just like a lot of interesting stuff they went and looked at and learned and then they, they learned how to cook and mm-hmm. I don't know, I just thought it was like really fun to watch.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 39:59

Yeah. Uh, one of the unfun facts from it was that if the whole world ate like Americans, we would need three to four more planet earths to feed it.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 40:09

Is that not crazy? When they said that, that like blew my mind. Yeah. Americans guys were evil.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 40:14

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 40:16

Yeah. I dunno, that was my takeaway. Stop doing it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 40:20

Yeah. So this might be the best beginner friendly type of vegan brainwashing type movie. Uh, it covers everything, and you're kind of learning it along with those people as they go through that journey along the way. So it's kinda like a point of view. And they'll definitely have a couple of things be like, oh, well that doesn't seem quite right. And get those wheels turning maybe.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 40:37

Yeah.'cause these people started off very, I wouldn't say anti vegan, but they just, they definitely weren't really all that interested in it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 40:43

Yeah. And there were three like totally different personalities by the way. It was like a, a like a soccer mom, you know, that kind of typical thing. Yeah. There was one, like a young, a younger girl. A younger girl who was part of a, a family who was like really culturally into meat and stuff. Mm-hmm. And then there was just like a single guy, just a guy, guy, guy.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 40:59

Yeah. So, yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 40:59

Yeah. No, it was really cool.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 41:00

You'll find a favorite. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 41:01

All right. Uh, next is Plant Pure Nation. This one came out in 2015. You can watch this on Amazon Prime, YouTube, apple tv, or Tubi at least. Um, this one came from the same producers and writers of Forks Over Knives and came with the co-author of the China study. Um,

Protein Deficient Vegan: 41:18

yeah, you might be a little put off by the cover, at least. I was like, I would not have clicked on this one. Yeah. It looked very like, woo-hoo. America. I don't know. Yeah. Vibes. Uh, it's not so don't be concerned. Yeah. Um. This was another one. You're gonna get annoyed at the government because they're actively hiding health studies from the American people.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 41:40

Yeah. He did an experiment in the movie where he basically took, um, a group of people in a small community and had them all try a plant-based diet. They like, gave them the meals, pre-prepared, everything, went through their blood work. They all had great results.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 41:51

Mm-hmm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 41:52

So they tried to do this study in Kentucky originally, um, but they were getting some pushback. So they ended up moving the study to, I think North Carolina. North

Protein Deficient Vegan: 41:58

Carolina.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 41:59

So then, um. They came back to Kentucky to try to get an affirmation, um, passed through the, the local house there in Kentucky, um, saying basically just an affirmation that the plant-based diet improved these health metrics, right? So it wasn't really much more than that. And it was going through, I think it was going through Kentucky State University was like the, the foundation they were using to, you know, anchor the study on. Uh, but basically, you know, he was trying to pitch this in the house and, um, a lot of people just suddenly started disagreeing for various reasons. There, a couple people were like, well, I think we need to really understand if we should just add some meat into this plan. Basically no reason. And then somebody else was like, something along the lines of like, uh, I totally agree with this, and I think this is correct, but we, we might wanna hold off on saying this is how it works.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 42:45

Yeah, it was really weird.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 42:47

So anyway, it ended up getting, you know, shut down in that particular vote. But it just helps you see the inner workings about. To me, it's almost like how scared the politicians are right to commit to things that they know are good for their constituents.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 43:01

They're scared of losing the money.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 43:02

Yeah. So, which that, that was pretty disappointing.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 43:05

Is very concerning. Like you're voting for people that you hope have your best interest in minds and they're putting the people that are giving them the most money ahead of you. Yeah. As, as like a citizen. Right. Which is very frustrating, I feel like. And it's like, how do you undo that? I have no idea. Yeah. But the objections were not even like tangible objections. It was just like, well, can we put meat in there too? Yeah. I'm not gonna sign this unless it also says And meat. Yeah. And it's like, it already says, and meat, everyone already eats meat. Like,

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 43:36

oh, yeah. And the, the bill was actually not even to say it was purely vegan. Yeah. It was like predominantly a plant-based diet, which already, and one of the, one of the people in the uh, house there did point this out and he said basically, you know, they kind of argue internally, you know how it works. But he was basically saying, it already says only predominantly plant-based. Yeah. Which implies that you could eat some meat. But one of the guys there was like really adament on saying basically once the same meat is also part of what's good for you.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 43:59

Mm-hmm. So, yeah. And I, what I thought was interesting is like. You kind of know this is happening at a federal level, but I thought it was interesting to see it at a state level. Yeah. You know, 'cause like we both lived in Kentucky, so it was like really interesting to hear like, oh, this guy's from like Nelson County, Kentucky and like, you know, and then, you know, it's just like places that we've, yeah, we know. And you have the actual like representative from that small county and they're also actively working against you. So, yeah, I don't know. It was like disappointing and a little shocking, I guess.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 44:29

Yeah. You just wish that they cared more about the people than the companies a lot of the time.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 44:33

Yeah. Yeah. I also feel like on a state level, I guess I expected them to be a little bit more. Constituent driven. Yeah. Because they're closer to their people than the people in Washington are like, yeah. That are kind of removed from like, interacting with their people day to day.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 44:47

They're in the middle of town with everybody. Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 44:48

It just is shocking.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 44:49

Yep. Uh, also, another uh, unfun fact that came from this one is that, uh, only America and New Zealand allow drug commercials on tv.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 44:59

Yeah. Like pharmaceutical commercials. Isn't that wild?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 45:02

Yeah. That's really interesting.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 45:04

Because in other countries, like you're not really like trying to profiteer off of getting people to be needing pharmaceuticals. Right.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 45:12

Especially a specific pharmaceutical.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 45:13

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 45:14

Because there's like generic options.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 45:14

Yeah. It's like, go ask your doctor about this very specific thing. Oh. And then it said something about like, I can't remember the exact statistic, but I think it was saying like 70% of the time when a person goes to their doctor and asks for a certain prescription, they, it gets written. Yeah. Which is like, what? Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 45:34

So yeah, a lot of, a lot of interesting stuff in this one that comes at it from a slightly different angle than before, but it's a, a really good one. Um, this one's good for like anybody that's already a little hesitant to trust everything the government's saying. Uh, also I think it's good for people who at the local level, like think small town people, how, if they're thinking about how their, you know, representatives are representing them. Yeah. In some of these law making sessions, it does give some behind the scenes, you know, it's got cameras right there during that whole process. Uh, so that's, that's some really interesting stuff. Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 46:04

I also really liked that it was shot in like Kentucky and North Carolina, which are more southern states. Yeah. Which are more like, I think generally less likely to have vegan options and have people that are interested in veganism. Yeah. So, I don't know if you live in Kentucky or North Carolina, you might wanna watch this right.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 46:22

Yeah. And for a, a bonus, one of the people that was in part of his trial was a cattle rancher. Yeah. Who was saying like, how much better, better his blood work was now after he tried this vegan diet from.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 46:32

That was really interesting. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 46:34

And he seemed pretty excited about it.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 46:36

He did.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 46:36

I don't know if he stayed that way. I don't know the guy, obviously. Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 46:39

You rarely get updates on like all of the people that are in these like little one-off studies in the documentaries, but.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 46:44

Yeah. But he was not totally against it, but.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 46:47

It's true.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 46:47

Um, yeah. And so for these last two, we actually, um, haven't watched these because they're super graphic, but they are ones that get recommended a lot in a vegan circles.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 46:59

Yeah. So we're definitely gonna say we're act, we're definitely gonna tell you about them. But like, uh, yeah, we haven't personally watched them because we are already vegan, so. Huh. Uh, my mental health doesn't need that.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 47:11

Yeah. Um, so the first one is Earthlings came out in 2005, so an oldie, uh, you can watch it on Amazon Prime right now. So they used hidden cameras and never before seen footage to chronicle, like day-to-day practices of some of the big farming industries that rely on, or, well, some of the biggest industries in the world that rely on animals for profit.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 47:31

Yeah. And this one is narrated by Joaquin Phoenix, which is pretty interesting.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 47:35

Yeah. We've heard that this one has turned a lot of people vegan. So anybody that might be swayed specifically by animal welfare argument that is in denial about what's happening to animals or somebody that, I think these kind of movies, the graphic movies, are best targeted towards people who are like, yeah, I understand what happens in those farms. Yeah. And I don't care. I don't, that doesn't mean anything to me. They're just animals, that kind of thing.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 47:57

Or they don't really believe it's true.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 47:58

Right? Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I think those people who think that they're very comfortable with what's happening probably could use a movie like this to like really understand you. You don't really know the depth of it until you see something like this.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 48:10

Right. Or if you're like one of those people that I, I don't know. I feel like there's a large group of people that for some reason, think that animals don't feel things. Yeah. They don't have like emotions. They don't have feelings. I think watching some of this graphic content, like. Makes you, you can see it in their eyes, like they have feelings about it, like you can hear it in the sounds they make. Like

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 48:32

I've never really understood that argument anyway because like most people have had a pet or been around a pet. So, you know. Yeah. Like those animals are the same basically. Right?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 48:40

Like I think dogs are very special, but essentially like they're really no different than like a cow or a pig in my mind.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 48:46

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and then the last one is Dominion. So this is like the big, the big kind of vegan flagship movie that everybody Yep. Tends to push towards. Uh, very graphic again, uh, released in 2018. You can actually just watch this on their website, dominion movement.com. Um, they use drones, hidden cameras, handheld cameras to expose the dark underbelly of modern animal, animal agriculture. Uh, so they question, it's called dominion because they question the validity and morality of humankind's dominion over the animal kingdom. Yeah. Which is kind of a biblical reference and where a lot of people, you know, get their belief from basically that Right. Animals are here for us to use and us to eat that, you know, that's called dominion. So that's.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 49:31

Yep. And I do wanna point out that this footage is incredibly hard and dangerous to get. So anyone that's getting this footage so that people can see what's really going on here is like a hero in my opinion, because. Otherwise this would be happening in, nobody would ever see this, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's a big deal. Yeah. It's like scary and dangerous to get this footage. So

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 49:55

yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 49:55

You know,

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 49:56

this one is most often given as a recommendation on Reddit and other online forums, um, by vegans. It's one of the only documentaries that's like exclusively about animal welfare. This isn't about health at all,

Protein Deficient Vegan: 50:07

or environmental, like this is only about animals.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 50:09

Yeah, so this one's like extremely popular to the point where you, like you are driving down the street or driving through a town. You might see signs and windows that are like Watch Dominion, and we see a lot of those in Chicago. Actually.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 50:18

It also has some pretty famous narrators. It has, this one also has Joaquin Phoenix. It has Rooney Mara, SIA, Sadie Sink, and Kat Von-D are narrating this movie. So, okay.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 50:30

Yeah. And this is kind of the same, uh, person that will be targeted by the Earthlings movie. Um, just anybody who would like, who really doesn't think or get that these Yeah. Really bad things are happening.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 50:41

Someone that needs the shock factor.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 50:43

Yeah, exactly.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 50:43

Some people just, they need to see what's really happening.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 50:45

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 50:46

You know? Yeah. Especially like, I think troll people that aren't, you're not gonna be able to reason with in general. Like, I think some of this, I feel like the, the last two are like, if you can't get 'em to turn with any of these other like 10 or 11 movies we told you about the last two, like, I don't know. I feel like how could you not?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 51:05

Yeah. And there are a lot of movies that focus on the health, but some of these are more like, even if it was not as healthy Yeah. To be a vegan, you still do it because of stuff like this.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 51:14

Oh, for sure. I mean, that's how I've always felt. Like, I think when I went, you know, vegetarian, I, I think there. There were a lot of concerns around like, and there's, these are still like predominantly held beliefs that are just factually untrue though, that it's like an unhealthier way to live. Yeah. Like to not have the protein from meat and whatever. But like, I don't know, I think most people when they go for the animal reasons, aren't really thinking about that. They're just like, I will figure it out, but like, I'm just not gonna partake in this anymore.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 51:44

Yep. Yeah. So that is all the, uh, movies that we watched and you should put in your arsenal to recommend to different people as you kind of coax them towards veganism in your life.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 51:55

Yeah. And if you have any other ones that we didn't list that turned you vegan or that you really love, let us know.'cause we'll watch 'em. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 52:05

All right, so let's get into our myth of the week this week. The myth of the week is that you need performance supplements to make progress in the gym. So you guys might, you all might know that there is a gigantic supplement industry.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 52:18

What.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 52:18

And when you first get into, you know, fitness, the, the two things you have to do or go buy your supplements and go buy your gym clothes. The first thing you should know is that supplements are not verified by FDA, so they're not really controlled by the FDA. If there's some kind of toxicity issue, they'll come back and do an investigation. But as far as like the veracity of their claims or benefits or anything like that, none of that is monitored by the FDA. You can go make a supplement and say, you know, it does this and this and this, and it's not an actual drug. So there, there's nothing that really stops you from doing that. Um.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 52:49

So they can lie to you.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 52:51

Yeah. And so over time we do studies on these supplements to see like which ones actually work, which ones do things, what particular situations they help in. And, um. There are a couple that kind of rise above the rest as far as like actual proven benefit. One of those is creatine. So creatine, specifically creatine monohydrate, which is like the cheapest version and the best version, which is usually not the case. Cheapest is the best, can help you basically have more energy, for lack of a better word for your workouts. So help you get in a couple more reps, maybe do a couple more pounds. Um, makes you slightly stronger in a lot of cases. Uh, this one is especially useful for vegans because typically, humans get creatine through their diet. And a lot of that comes from meat. And the reason is like we synthesize part of our own creatine. So we, we synthesize a couple grams a day in our body. Animals also synthesize a few grams a day in their body. So if you eat animal meat, you basically get the creatine that they synthesize in their own body and add it to your body.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 53:49

You're stealing their creatine and their muscles.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 53:51

Right? So, uh, non-vegan are at a higher baseline level of creatine all the time because of that. So. When a vegan supplements creatine, uh, that basically brings us up back up to like normal omnivore level, but then also can bring us on up to like the supplemented level, which everybody's kind of the same at the supplemented level because it saturates your muscle.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 54:11

Isn't it good for brain health too?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 54:12

Yeah, there is a lot of new studies coming out showing the increasingly validated benefits for brain health and cognitive load and like being able to think in stressful situations and things like that. So I would say if you're going to take one supplement, it should be creatine. Um, but even that is pretty minor benefits. We're talking maybe like 5%, 10% benefit over the long term. Um, so you can definitely get by with no supplements at all. But if you're gonna get into supplements, you wanna feel like maybe you're taking something could be a little placebo effect. Uh, it should probably be creatine. And then the second one, and really this one's probably more impactful for you, is caffeine. So you probably don't think of caffeine as a supplement. Um, but you have probably heard of pre-workouts, right? So everybody has their pre-workout that they take. They take like a C4 or something like that, which is basically a huge dose of caffeine. Yeah. And then a whole bunch of other stuff that's supposed to do things for you. Well, it turns out like 90% of the benefit in a pre-workout is just from the caffeine.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 55:06

Yeah, I bet 400 milligrams of caffeine really does get you going. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 55:10

So, um, you don't really need a supplement for this. Uh, you can just do some coffee, like a black coffee.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 55:16

Or a v8 energy.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 55:17

A V8 energy, something like that is really, you know, almost exactly as effective as a pre-workout supplement. And that's really only good if you work out in the morning. You don't wanna take caffeine in the afternoon.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 55:26

So, yeah. Past like what, two or something?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 55:27

Yeah, probably past two o'clock. You'll start to impact your sleep, even if you're not feeling it. And then for all the other supplements out there, it's kind of like the jury is still out. Some of them are good in specific situations like beta-alanine. Uh, the one that makes you feel fuzzy.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 55:40

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 55:40

Is a little beneficial for like, long distance endurance type athletes? So if you're doing a marathon or maybe even in a case where you do like a two hour workout or something like that, uh, that can give you a little extra endurance in those cases. Um, but if you're just like going in and lifting weights three times a week, that one's probably not doing a whole lot for you. But, um, that's actually another one where the vegans benefit a little more. So there are a couple of things like that where vegans have a slightly lower level than omnivores. So maybe supplementation will help a little bit more than it would an omnivore, but even in those cases, we're talking about a percent or two of improvement.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 56:15

Yeah. I feel like I hear protein powder used as like, like a lot of people call protein powder a supplement. Yeah, protein. But I find that so weird because protein powder is just powdered protein. Yeah. It's like no different than the protein in all the other foods you eat.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 56:29

Yeah. I don't consider protein powder a supplement. It's just like ground up food.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 56:32

Basically. Yeah. They're like, I take a protein shake, and I'm like, you mean you drink a protein shake? Right? Like you're not taking it like it's just food.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 56:40

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 56:41

Guys.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 56:42

So I would definitely recommend using protein powder if you need it to hit your protein goal. Yeah. But I would consider that again, a food and not really a supplement. But it is at the supplement store and it makes sense. So, so, yeah. Um, you don't need any supplements at all. Even if you don't take creatine, uh, you're gonna make progress just fine. If you take creatine, you might make progress a little better. If you take caffeine right before your lifting session, uh, you might be a little more performant, but none of those are gonna like, cause you not to have any progress if you don't take them. So definitely not a need, and there's definitely not a need. Like you'll, if you go out on the, the supplement subreddit or something like that, you'll see like, this is my stack of 15 supplements that I take every day. It's like most of those probably aren't doing anything for you. Some of those are probably causing some like toxicity issue if you don't ever cycle off of them. Uh, and they're just like making your pee really expensive for the most part.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 57:31

You're, you're telling me that we don't all need to immediately go buy the new vegan collagen that everyone's pushing?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 57:37

Uh, no, I wouldn't do that. And vegan collagen is like actually not really a thing. So when, when you have a vegan collagen supplement that supplements some of the things that help your body synthesize its own collagen a little bit, you know, theoretically again, there's like no, and even behind. Like actual collagen supplementation that includes, you know, animal-based collagen. Uh, the science is very split on that. So even if you weren't a vegan and you were taking actual collagen, the benefits are not well proven yet.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 58:05

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 58:06

But no, a vegan collagen supplement, probably not doing much of anything.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 58:10

I feel like my overall takeaway is if someone's telling you that you need something, you should look at why they might be saying that.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 58:17

Right.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 58:18

Can they make money off you buying it?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 58:20

Yeah. And you know, the caveat there is the placebo effect is very strong. So if you take something and it makes you feel like you have a better workout. Even if the things ingredients are not really doing that thing. It can.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 58:32

It's a magic brain potion.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 58:34

Right. Exactly. There is definitely some of that, especially with beta alanine, because it's like, it makes you feel fuzzy and you're like amped up. Yeah. I don't know if you know this, that's true, but like beta alanine is commonly included in pre-workouts. So you go into your workout feeling like buzz buzzing really buzzing. Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 58:48

Like it did something to you.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 58:49

But beta-alanine does not have a short term effect, so there's no reason to take it right before the workout, even if you're trying to get the benefits from it. It's just to like trick you into feeling like this energy level. So really the best way to take beta alanine is actually the same as creatine, where you just kind of take it once a day at any time and not necessarily right before the workout.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 59:07

So they're Jedi mind tricking you.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 59:08

Yeah. And if it works, it works.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 59:10

What's that Citrulline one? Didn't you tell me it does something with penises?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 59:14

Uh, yeah, so there's another supplement called Citrulline Malate, which, um, it basically turns into nitric oxide, which is a really popular ingredient in pre-workouts that don't have caffeine. So it's called like a non stimulant pre-workout.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 59:29

Oh, okay.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 59:29

But what that does is dilate your blood vessels and let more blood flow. So that can help with a couple of things. One, it can help with like muscle recovery. Um, it can actually, if you take Citrulline Malate on a regular basis, it can help lower your blood pressure a little bit. There were some studies showing that supplementation of that helps lower blood pressure as much as some of the blood pressure medications. So that's kinda interesting. Uh, yeah. And also if there's anywhere else you would like, uh, blood to flow through, it can help with that a little bit as well. So maybe if you're, you know, uh, stuck taking that little blue pill, you might just try some citrulline malate for a little bit. The pump is another good thing. Nitric oxide is big for the pump. So if you're like, um, really doing like aesthetic training and you're really lean, you're going into bodybuilding, you'll probably take something like citrulline malate, some other kind of nitric oxide.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:00:19

So your muscles look all pretty. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:00:20

They look huge and like feel tight and things like that. So it does a couple of real things. Uh, just for general performance. It's not probably a, a super big differentiator, but it is the main ingredient in the non-stimulant pre-workouts. So, personally, the only supplements I really take now are creatine, I do take citrulline malate and I also take beta-alanine like daily with the creatine as well.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:00:46

You like being itchy?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:00:47

Yeah. Oh, and then also essential amino acids, uh, for vegans specifically. So if you were not a vegan, I would say essential amino acids are like totally worthless because basically everything you eat as a non-vegan is gonna have the full spectrum of amino acids for protein. But as a vegan, essential amino acids can be a useful supplement. Um, especially if you, like, if you, let's say you have a big meal of seitan in the day and that's like 50 grams of your protein for the day. So that's gonna be a little lower in lysine. So if you're like flirting with the optimal total daily protein target. So let's say if I'm trying to hit only like 120 grams of protein or something and a big portion of that is coming from seitan, um, already kind of on the lower side. So you might want to use something like an EAA supplement with that meal to get the full spectrum of amino acids, basically buffer up the lysine you get.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:01:35

Yeah. It kinda like rounds out.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:01:36

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:01:37

And almost makes it a complete protein kind of.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:01:39

Yeah. I've got a, in your stomach, I've got a video I'm working on for this concept 'cause it's a little hard to visualize, but.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:01:44

Oh yes. It includes Skittles.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:01:45

Yeah. But basically it just kind of turns your seitan into a complete protein, which I know a lot of people don't really like the whole protein combining thing. But that concept does get more important the lower your total protein intake is. Mm. So, yeah. But just because I take 'em doesn't mean you should. Um, as a matter of fact, when you're first starting out, I would recommend maybe creatine. Other than that, nothing else. Caffeine people are gonna do whatever they want with caffeine anyway.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:02:10

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:02:11

Uh, so yeah, you definitely don't need 'em to make progress.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:02:14

Myth debunked.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:02:15

Yeah. Okay. Uh, next into our updates. So protein deficient vegan updates. What do you have going on with your recipes.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:02:23

Oh, wow. Well, we're like, what, uh, almost three weeks into Veganuary. Yeah. I'm still pumping out daily shorts on all my social medias with different high protein, easy recipes that you can make. Um, and I also have two new recipes that hit the website, a chicken Caesar wrap and a banana bread seitan. The chicken Caesar wrap we made it with Daring Chicken, which this was the first time we've ever tried it. I think at least the plain non breaded one.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:02:53

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:02:53

It's really good.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:02:54

Yeah. And the banana bread seitan is really similar to like the cookies you have, but now it's in a loaf form.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:02:59

It's in a loaf form so you can cut it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03:01

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:03:01

And it's delicious. And we ate it in two days. That's really good. So when he's talking about eating 50 grams of seitan and he's talking about the banana bread seitan, because he did that twice this week. Yeah. What about you? What do you got going on?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03:16

Yeah, so I'm getting all the, uh, winners of the personal training giveaway set up and started on their programs. That's going pretty well. Got some new people in discord. I think total the Discord is up to like 40 people now, including the people that won the giveaway.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:03:31

Yeah, it's gotten a lot more active too.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03:32

Oh yeah. There's something going on there every day now.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:03:34

You can find a friend here.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03:36

Oh, for sure.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:03:37

Come join our Discord at Deficient Vegans.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03:39

Yeah, that link is in the show notes.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:03:41

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03:41

Oh, and I'm also still working on kind of the jumpstart guide, hoping to finish that up in the next few days to get to all the other people that entered, uh, the giveaway.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:03:48

That'll be good. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03:50

That, yeah. So I think that's about it for this week. If you guys could leave us comments, leave us a review on Apple Podcast or Spotify.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:03:59

Be nice to us.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03:59

Yeah. Uh, or you know, if you have something to really mean to say, just send it to me and we'll deal with that.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:04:04

I'm too sensitive.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:04:06

Um, yeah. But yeah, definitely jump in the discord. If you want to meet, uh, some new vegan friends who are interested in fitness and nutrition, that's going pretty well. And, uh, yeah, reach out on social media if you have any direct questions. I think that's it. Do you wanna say bye?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:04:20

Bye.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:04:21

Bye everybody.