Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:00

Hi everybody. Welcome back. This is the Deficient Vegans Podcast. If you've been with us before, you might be doing a double take right now. Yes. This podcast was formerly known as the VeGAINS Fitness and Nutrition podcast, and now it is called Deficient Vegans. I am the Muscle Deficient Vegan here with the Protein Deficient Vegan. Do you wanna say hi?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:16

Hi.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:17

Hi. So, we're just two so-called deficient vegans here to help you learn how to thrive on plants, stay fit, eat amazing food, and laugh at all the vegan stereotypes we all hear along the way. So just to give a little bit of history on how we started putting out content and how the brand evolved over time a little bit. We started out as VeGAINS Fitness and Nutrition as the podcast and the Instagram and even the website and all that stuff. And we weren't really sure which direction we wanted to go with it and.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:45

But we liked the pun.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:46

Yeah, the pun was good. VeGAINS. Then we a little later found out that's actually like a fairly common pun.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:51

Right? Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:52

So that was a little bit of a problem too 'cause you'd search VeGAINS and there was kind of a lot of stuff out there.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:56

Yeah. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:57

But also.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:57

Shirts.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:58

Lots of shirts.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:59

Lots of shirts.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:59

Yeah. Also, one of the things that started to happen is we thought originally maybe I was gonna post a lot of fitness things and then you would have some things to post. But it actually turned out you got super into recipes and filled up the whole feed with like vegan recipes.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:13

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:14

And that was really cool. But, it turned into the whole feed. And then occasionally I would start posting a fitness video and then all the people who are following this account, like, oh, I'm following this recipe account, suddenly see like a deadlift video. And it was a little confusing. And it's also kind of confusing for two different people to post on the same account, especially when it's about different topics. So you'd be in there with like your pretty fingernails, doing, you know, recipes and stuff. And then I've got like chalk and dead lift straps. It is just like. Very.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:42

It was confusing.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:43

Very.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:43

We didn't know what we were doing.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:44

Right? So we ended up feeling that like the recipe thing should be a dedicated account to give you room to like grow into that. Be more flexible.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:51

Mm-hmm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:52

And have a little more freedom without having to worry about a am I gonna lose people when you post fitness videos and things like that.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:57

That was like the worry.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:58

Right. So it also helps replace the search results for protein deficient vegan.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 2:03

Yes.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 2:03

So it's a funny name, a great pun, and helps combat some of the vegan myth stuff that we like to do anyway.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 2:09

Yeah. Well, two years ago when you would search protein deficient vegan, you'd get like. What he, uh, WebMD or whatever, talking about how vegans are protein deficient and you'd get some memes and stuff, but now you get my recipes.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 2:21

Yeah. WebMD, healthline, things like that. And we were originally like, wow, I don't think uh, anybody's ever gonna find you when they type into Google, but now you're obviously the number one result. The whole first page is like your stuff. So you've got your recipe blog on social media. You mostly post about recipes and food. You have a lot of really cool infographics now. So what got you?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 2:39

I learned canva.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 2:40

Yeah. Yeah. You're like a Canva pro. So, what made you interested in the vegan recipes though?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 2:45

Well, I guess for me, I was vegetarian for a really long time and I got a lot of my protein from like eggs. Really, and like cheese and stuff. But I didn't really mess with tofu, didn't even know about TVP, didn't really know about seitan. So when I went vegan like five years ago, I was like, what do vegans cook for protein? Like I had no idea. And I like searched for high protein vegan recipes and there weren't that many. So I just started cooking more stuff and like learning how to use different things. I don't know. I felt like there was, not saying there aren't any high protein vegan recipes already existing, but it felt like maybe there was like a gap for more.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:22

Right. Yeah. And you're also filling in some gaps in general because like now when you search Google for stuff like high protein loaded fries, like those people aren't necessarily looking for vegan things. Yeah. But you're still like the first, second, third result on most days. So you're filling in gaps in high protein things that aren't typically high protein.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:38

Right.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:39

In addition to obviously making a great high protein vegan website.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:43

Yeah. It's like. Yeah. The regular high protein crowd has their cottage cheese, but we have silken tofu.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:48

Right, exactly.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:48

Which you can use almost the same way. Yeah. So it's kind of fun.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:51

And even people who aren't vegan should use a lot of tofu.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:53

Absolutely, or vital wheat gluten.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:55

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:55

I didn't know about that when I was vegetarian, so.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:58

Yeah, i've thought a lot about how annoyed I am that I didn't really understand these options. Yeah. When I wasn't a vegan because there's a lot of stuff you can eat that isn't like the typical omnivore type protein or whatever.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 4:09

Right. Yeah. That's phase three. Take over the non-vegan world with our vegan proteins.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:12

Yeah, for sure. So there's a lot of things we can use soy for.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 4:15

Oh yeah. Soy and vital wheat gluten's crazy.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:18

Yeah, for sure. So after you made that account, I kept using the VeGAINS account that we had for a little while. But then we'd have an issue where you would try to show like your association to that account.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 4:30

Mm-hmm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:31

And people would just be like, what is a VeGAINS? I don't understand what this is. Uh, and so that still was a little confusing. And then also I, you know, just, I wanted a cooler name too, 'cause I was really jealous about the protein deficient vegan thing. So, uh, basically partially plagiarized it and just changed it to muscle deficient vegan and make it fitness related. So I think that does a better job of showing we're associated, but still showing how we're different.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 4:53

Yeah, absolutely.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:54

It seemed to be pretty effective, so I think it worked out.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 4:57

Plus muscle deficient Vegan's funny too.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:59

Yeah. And, on my end I've had an interest in fitness and nutrition stuff for a really long time. I started going to the gym with my dad like a long time ago. He got super into it for a while. Even I think when I was in, I don't know, late middle school, high school, I would be in there not knowing what I was doing, obviously. Yeah. But like go in the circuit room or do some bench press or whatever while he was working out. So that was a lot of fun. And then, over the years I've been in and out of the gym a lot. It's always been an anchor for me, like something I try to do consistently, so. Um, yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 5:28

That's why your legs are so strong.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 5:30

Yeah. Yeah. So I've always had an interest in that, so I really like sharing information about it and I think there's a lot of things that people can learn out there. There's a lot of information that, it's not necessarily misinformation because a lot of the stuff you hear about fitness and nutrition are true on some level. But there's a lot of nuance that I think it's really helpful to be able to show people how to navigate. So when you're trying to understand what thing is best for me, that might be different than what's best for somebody with totally different goals.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 5:59

Mm-hmm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:00

Anyway, that's the kind of thing I post about on the muscle deficient vegan side.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:03

Yeah. And I think you have an interesting perspective because you weren't vegan until you moved in with me.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:08

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:09

So.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:10

Yeah, I've got experience with being a gym guy for, I don't know, a decade or two before I was vegan. And now I can see, like, going into veganism, first of all, I see all the things that we, I used to think maybe about veganism. Yeah. I never really had negative thoughts, but I was like, oh, is that like the best thing? Is that gonna.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:25

He made fun of me.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:26

One time and it was more like a flirting thing.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:31

Oh, okay. I bring it up relentlessly.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:34

So yeah. Anyway, uh.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:37

Actually he was really nice in high school when I was vegetarian. He always found ways to find me vegetarian food. So he's always been supportive.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 6:44

Yeah. Yeah, so I also want to help other people that are maybe not vegan yet, and thinking about it and thinking those same things I did. Like, okay, do I need to eat this stuff? Or like, what happens if I try to be vegan and I still want to grow muscle? Like, can I do that?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:58

Soy boobs?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 7:00

Oh god, yeah. All the stigma around soy is like super bad and like super nonsense. Like again, it's one of those things there's an inkling of truth in there and things like plant antinutrients.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 7:11

Yeah. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 7:11

I mean, yeah, okay. Plants have some antinutrients. It's not enough to do anything useful to a human.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 7:16

You should still eat plants.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 7:18

So anyway, yeah there's a lot of nuance out there that I really like to try to help people understand what's best for what they're trying to do.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 7:24

Oh, and you got your certifications.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 7:27

Right. Yeah, I'm actually a certified personal trainer, certified USAW Olympic Weightlifting Coach, level one.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 7:33

Yeah. So at some point he will be taking people.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 7:36

Yeah, and then we have now the Deficient Vegans podcast, which is just a nice space for us to be able to bring our two interests together and have conversations and talk about all the different things around veganism specifically, but also fitness and nutrition and how that applies to like practical everyday life.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 7:51

Yeah, he's the main character. I'm like a little side quest on some things.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 7:55

You're far, far more entertaining than me though, so it's really helpful. All right. So, appreciate you sticking through that. Just wanted to give you a little backstory on how we have evolved, what we're trying to do here over time, and explain the reasoning for the change of name in the podcast.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:09

How we got a better name.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:11

Yeah, better name. I think it's an objectively better name.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:14

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:14

Than the VeGAINS Fitness and Nutrition podcast. It was a little clunky, but you know, it sounded good in my head when we first started, so.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:20

Oh. And we got a cooler logo, which is really obviously the most important thing.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:24

Yeah. We're gonna have to put a link to the person that's designed our logos for us at some point.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:28

She's a badass.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:29

Yeah. Really cool. All right. So the main topic for today is busting fitness myths. So we've got a couple myths to go through here. A couple of them are vegan specific. A couple of them are just general fitness myths. The first one is you can't build muscle on a vegan diet. So.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 8:45

Wrong!

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 8:45

Wrong, obviously, and you can kind of address this one both with like, if you want to do the evidence-based thing. There are a lot of studies around this, especially in the last couple of years. There's effectively no difference in the actual outcome of muscle building between vegans and non-vegans when they actually put 'em in a lab, watch what they eat, have 'em work out for a couple of weeks, usually in a study, sometimes a little longer. But you can also go out to a website like great vegan athletes and just see the vegan athletes that are like elite in their sports. There's like vegan bodybuilders, vegan strength athletes. And then also like football players and football, football players, tennis, like every sport you can think of, there's somebody doing it at a really high level that is a vegan.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:24

Go watch Game Changers.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:25

Yeah, Game Changers is a great movie on Netflix.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:27

Especially that part about erections.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:32

Yeah, I would definitely recommend that part. That was pretty persuasive.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:35

I sent him that clip before you watched the whole movie.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:41

I sent that clip to a buddy of mine to try to get him to watch the movie, but he didn't really take the bait on that.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:45

So, ah, yeah. I'm just imagining the song Wood Vegan version.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:50

Well, that's a very timely reference.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 9:52

Sorry. We're just listening to a lot of Taylor Swift.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:55

So like I said, you can go look at actual athletes. There are studies on this, but if you're just generally still worried about the protein quality on a vegan diet, you can stick mostly to soy mm-hmm. And protein blends. But really, as long as you're hitting your protein goals, this isn't really a problem. Yeah. And I should say like the, the studies where they check the vegans, that is in a situation where the protein is equaled. Right? Like you can't have a vegan out here eating 50 grams of protein a day and compare it to a non-vegan eating 200 grams of protein a day.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 10:22

Right.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 10:22

That's not really how it works. So as long as the protein number is equal, then there's really no difference in muscle growth. Okay. And the next myth here is that cardio kills gains. So if you're not familiar with the term, basically what people are concerned about is if I do cardio, will that make my muscle growth worse, or will that take away my muscle growth? So this is not really a thing for almost anybody. If you're a bodybuilder, maybe doing cardio directly after your workout could slightly make your muscles not grow quite as much as they would. But it's really hard to measure the impact of that. Yeah. So it's, it's not very strong.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 10:54

Feels like a false narrative spread by big heart disease.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 10:58

Yeah. Right. I mean, even if that was a thing and it was like a 10, 20% impact on your muscle growth, I think the benefits of cardio still outweigh that impact for almost everybody, right? Like, you're making your heart stronger, you're making your lungs stronger. It's just better for your general health.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 11:14

Mm-hmm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 11:15

To have a much better cardio than it is to have slightly more muscle gain in the long run. So one kind of practical thing though, I like to do cardio after my workout, even though there might be a little bit of this impact, because if you do cardio before your workout, you're really just gonna be super tired.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 11:32

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 11:32

In most cases. And your workout's not gonna go quite as well. So, I like to do it afterwards or on a different day. Or even if you wanna do it before your workout, you can do it like in the morning.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 11:42

Mm-hmm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 11:42

If you have a workout later that afternoon, whatever. Worst case, you can do it right after. It's not gonna have really anything that's gonna change your life in any meaningful way. So basically do it whenever you want, but I wouldn't recommend doing it right before your workout. Third myth, we see a lot of discussion around this, but I think it's more from like non-vegans trying to make a point. But the myth is that vegan diets automatically make you healthy. And I mean, that's kind of obviously not true, right? You can have junk food on a vegan diet, just as well as you can have junk food not being a vegan, especially these days where there's a lot more vegan snacks accessible than there used to be.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 12:15

Yeah. But there's also the myth that like all vegan food is processed chemical loaded garbage. Yeah. Which is like. Come on.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:23

Yeah. I don't really exactly understand what people are even talking about when they say that because most vegan food, you could go grow in a garden in your backyard. Yeah. So. Yeah. I mean obviously if you're going down the, the cookie aisle or something and you're grabbing vegan cookies, that's just as bad as non vegan cookies from a right health perspective, you know?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 12:39

And even like vegan meats are probably just as bad as like regular meat.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:43

Yeah. But see, when you say vegan meat, people think tofu. What we really mean is like a beyond burger.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 12:48

Right, right.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:49

Like those.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 12:49

Were processed.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:50

Yeah, super processed things but like something like a tofu or a seitan, if you're using that as a meat replacement.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 12:55

Yes.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:55

That's like one ingredient, so.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 12:57

Right.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:57

It's not usually a huge deal. I would say stick mostly to Whole Foods wherever possible. There's a trick you can do at the grocery store where you stick to like the perimeter of the grocery store because that'll keep you mostly in the produce section and like the vegan milks section and stuff like that. So, yeah, uh, as long as you don't go into the aisles with the pretty boxes that are basically marketing manipulation to get you to buy them and we do, then you're gonna be having mostly whole foods. So.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 13:25

Still I don't wanna demonize like beyond.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 13:27

No, for sure.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 13:27

You know.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 13:28

Yeah, we have beyond sometimes.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 13:29

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 13:29

Impossible sometimes, but it's just, you have to understand like which things are healthy and why and usually it's, it almost all boils down to calories for the most part.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 13:37

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 13:38

Yeah. So yeah, saturated fat also an important thing to keep an eye on.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 13:41

Mm-hmm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 13:41

Alright. And then the last myth we have there is you have to train every day to build muscle. So how many days a week you train is something we call frequency. So there are a lot of things that go into this, but the big one is experience level. So a beginner who's just starting to work out. And by beginner I mean somebody who's like only been working out consistently for like less than two years. You're still kind of in the beginner phase there. So as a beginner, you can work out just two days a week and get really good results. If you try to do one day a week, you'll get results. But going from one to two will like almost double probably your results. But going from two to three doesn't double it again, you get like a little more going from two to three, almost none more going from three to four as a beginner especially. So, typically the reason we change frequency is just because of the volume you need for a muscle. So volume means how many sets do I need for this muscle to grow? So if you're talking about biceps, and maybe you want to do 20 sets of curls in a week, that's your volume for curls.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 14:43

How many shake weights.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 14:44

Ooh, how many shake weight sets, is that what you mean?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 14:47

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 14:47

Hmm. Uh, you'd probably have to do, uh, 300 sets of shake weights to get really good results.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 14:54

Dude, that shit's hard. Have you ever tried a shake weight?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 14:57

No. But just because you get tired doesn't mean that is really working out that the muscle, what muscle does a shake? Let me hold dude. Forearm.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 15:04

Your bicep, your forearm, and your tricep. It's no joke.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:08

Oh,'cause you're doing the whole, if you do the hand motion, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 15:11

And it feels heavier because you know of momentum and whatnot.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:15

Yeah, maybe if you start a, it might, it might be viable if you could like strap extra weights onto the side of the shake weight, every time.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 15:21

Well, they make a five pound one instead of the normal two and a half pound one.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:24

Do they make like a 35 pound one?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 15:26

No, that'd be insane.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:28

Yeah, so you probably need a high, high volume shake weight.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 15:32

He's gonna try doing a shake weight this week and we'll see how he feels.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:37

So, yeah, so if you were trying to do 20 sets of curls, the idea is you probably wouldn't want to do that all in one day, right? Like that would be very tiring. Your last 10 sets probably, maybe even more, would be pretty much what they call junk volume, which is like, you're not really putting in the effort anymore that makes it makes sense.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 15:53

And your desire to live is just diminishing rapidly.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:55

That too. So, and that is a big part of it also. So maybe if you wanted to do 20 sets of curls, you'd split that up into at least two days. You do 10 sets each day, but first of all, for beginners, you don't need 20 sets of almost anything, but some advanced people could need maybe 20 sets, 30 sets of every muscle group, right? So if you're trying to do 20 sets of biceps and 20 sets of triceps, 20 sets of quads and everything else all in the same week, you're gonna have either a super long workouts , or you can work out like every day. And then sometimes, if you're really advanced actual competitive bodybuilder, you'll have a lot of days where you're doing two workouts a day. And that's all just to fit in that volume in a way that makes sense. It doesn't really matter if you do that volume in two days or four days. It's just usually a matter of like, how much time do you wanna spend in the gym?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 16:48

Mm-hmm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 16:48

And then like also, are you recovering, right?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 16:51

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 16:54

So, yeah, I'd say like for a beginner. You could probably go two days a week, try for most muscle groups to get somewhere in the neighborhood of eight to 12 sets a week. You're gonna get really good progress for a year or two maybe.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:07

Beginner gains.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:08

That's right. So in our future episodes, we're gonna try to cover maybe one to two myths a week in a small section called The Myth of the Week.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:16

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:16

So maybe that'll be fun. Something to look forward to.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:18

Yeah. I think next week we're covering Zeus, aren't we?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:20

Zeus? Oh yeah. I mean, I guess if we ever need to pivot, we'll change. We'll change it into Greek.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:30

Send in your ideas.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:32

Greek Myth of the Week. Send in your ideas is actually a great segue because our next section here is actually listener q and a. So we have this fancy thing in the show notes where you click on it and it says, send us a text.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:43

And then no one ever does.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:45

That's not true. We have one here.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:48

We have one.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:49

Well, we took it down for a while. Okay, so the thing about this, send us a text thing is it's not a text we can reply to.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 17:56

Mm.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 17:56

So we can only reply to it on the show here. And I didn't really realize that at first. So I took it down for a little while and now I put it back. But we do have one that got sent into us. Uh, it doesn't have a name. It just says it's from Indianapolis, Indiana.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:08

Okay.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:08

So they asked, what protein powder do you use? I bounce around and I'm not sure if it's a good choice or not.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:14

I like Orgain. Orgain Vanilla.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:16

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:17

And I like Earth Chimp Vanilla. But Earth Chimp is a little grittier.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:20

Earth Chimp is a little grittier. Also, you have a code for Earth Chimp?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:24

I do.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:25

If you go to the Earthchimp site, just put in protein deficient vegan as a discount code, you get 10% off. We'll also put it in the show notes here in case you want to use the link directly to it, whatever. Yeah. You don't have to buy Earth Chimp, but if you wanna buy Earth Chimp, we've got 10% off for you.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:38

I like it in smoothies. Yeah. I don't really like it as like a straight up shake. That's usually where I would use Orgain. But like in smoothies it blends up really nice and has a a nice, subtle sweetness.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 18:47

Yeah. The one I like a lot is the ghost. So Ghost Protein has a couple of vegan flavors. They're mostly like chocolate cereal milk, normal cereal milk. The one I really like is the vegan cinnabon flavor.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 18:58

Ugh.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:00

For some reason she doesn't even like the smell when I open it.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:02

The smell of it makes me wanna die. I don't, I don't know. He says it's good.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:05

Yeah. I put it in my oatmeal.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:06

People like it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:06

My oatmeal most of the time. And it's also really nice in a shake 'cause it's kind of light. It's not like one of those thick, like milk shaky type Yeah ones. It's like a really light cinnamon taste. I don't know. I really like cinnamon.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:16

If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad. There you go. That's what Cheryl Crow said.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:20

Those are the ones we like to use. A lot of other good options out there, but yeah, I think Ghost, Orgain, Earthchimp are the ones we pretty much keep in the house.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:26

Yeah, we recently tried the just one protein powders that are from the brand that makes just egg. Those are interesting. It's like a super fine mung bean powder, so it bakes and cooks a lot differently than normal protein powder.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:40

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:41

I do have a couple recipes coming out on those. Yeah. So.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 19:44

Yeah, that one's a little pricey. Oh, speaking of price, MyProtein also makes a pretty good couple of vegan proteins. They're not like my favorite, but the good thing about MyProtein is they're almost always running sales for like 30, 40% off. So if you're just trying to get the best bang for your buck, I think they're almost always the best option. But ghost isn't too far behind, especially if you use the auto subscribe. And then, if you use your Earth Chimp discount code, that gets it pretty close in line too.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:09

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 20:09

Cool. And the Orgain is always pretty well priced.'cause that's like the, the OG vegan protein powder.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:14

Yeah, I think it's like 14 grams of protein a dollar or something. I did the math on 'em recently.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 20:19

Yeah. Cool.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:21

Still not as good as vital wheat gluten, but you don't wanna put that in a shake.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 20:26

Yeah. So if anybody else has any questions they wanna send in, use the, send us a text link in the show notes and we'll try to read out your question here on the next show. We see it on and, uh, we'll give you an answer. Next up you got a lot of new recipes that have been getting posted recently, and it's been a while since we've done one of these podcasts.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:42

A long time.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 20:42

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:42

So I have many recipes since then.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 20:44

Yeah, I think we can probably talk about at least a couple here.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:46

Yeah. I think like the main thing I've been doing a lot with recently is vital wheat gluten. Yeah. I don't know what it is, but I just really like experimenting with it. A lot of people use it for meat substitutes, but I've been doing a lot of baking with it and making bready things with it. So some of my favorite things lately have been my high protein bread, which is really easy to make. Whether you have a dutch oven or not. You could also use a loaf pan. We made bagels recently and those were really fun.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:11

Those were really good.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:12

They were like around 30% protein.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:15

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:15

Pretzel bites with vital wheat gluten. Those were really good too.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:18

Yeah.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:19

And then, oh, I've been doing a lot of like dessert seitan. So like chocolate seitan, banana bread seitan, pumpkin spice seitan. I sound a lot like Bubba from Forest Gump naming off all of my shrimp dishes.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:33

Seitan Gumbo. Seitan

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:37

Dessert seitan. Uh, but yeah, if you wanna mess around with seitan and vital wheat gluten, you should go check out my site.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:47

Yeah. And you know, also a lot of really cool new pictures on the site from all your new camera skills.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:52

That's true. Yes. Since the last time we were on, I took a photography class and a videography class, so I've improved those a lot. And now I get called out for AI all the time, but they're not AI. No, I took them with a camera. Yeah, we even made like a fake table to shoot on with like boards we got from Home Depot and stain. So yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 22:12

Good times.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 22:13

Having a lot of fun.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 22:14

Cool. Yeah. So, if you enjoyed today's episode or you wanna know more about maybe the recipes or the fitness content, subscribe to the podcast. Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, I think is probably the one that's most impactful. But you can leave us a review wherever the hell you want, or don't leave us a review at all. We appreciate it. Uh, share it with your vegan or even non-vegan friends. If you have any vegan, curious friends, you might do.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 22:37

Yeah. Just annoy the shit out of your non-vegan friends. They like that.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 22:39

They like that a lot. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So also we've got our social media profiles linked in the show notes. Definitely recommend following protein deficient vegan on Instagram if you're even wanting a little bit of protein in your vegan diet because she's got a lot of great recipes and actually a lot of recipes that other people don't have. You've invented a couple of things over the years. So.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 22:58

TVP muffins. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 22:59

TVP muffins.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 23:00

They're the future.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 23:00

That's true, man those are so good. All right. And if you wanna send in any feedback about the podcast or topic requests or anything like that, that you might want to hear about, you can use the, send us a text link or reach out to us basically anywhere you can find us.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 23:13

Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 23:14

Cool. All right, well, we appreciate you guys and we'll see you next time. You wanna say bye?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 23:18

Bye.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 23:19

Bye everybody.