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Welcome to episode 17 of the Deficient Vegans podcast. I'm the muscle deficient vegan here with the protein deficient vegan. You wanna say hi?

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Hi.

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Hi. So today we're gonna talk about different types of exercise you can do. So this is gonna be pretty basic if you're trying to just get into doing some kind of workout, some kind of fitness, and you might not know which avenue to take. There's a lot of different ways you can exercise. So we're gonna talk about some of those. First up, we're gonna talk about flexibility. This is something that a lot of people have an issue with, especially if you haven't been moving around lately, and it's pretty low impact. Easy to get into. Flexibility is basically just stretching out your muscles, getting them to where they can get into different positions and you feel a little more

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limber.

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The technical definition of flexibility is the ability to temporarily elongate a muscle so you can bend your arm a little more.

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You can touch your toes,

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you can touch your toes, stuff like that. Having extra flexibility can also help you avoid injuries. In some cases, there's uh, some debate around exactly how much it helps you, but it doesn't seem to hurt. You can do stretches kind of around other workouts if you're combining that with something else, or you can do stretches on its own in a standalone workout if you're doing stretches with some other workout like strength training. You don't really want to do what we call static stretches, which is where you just like bend your leg and hold it for 30 seconds. Something like that. You don't wanna do that necessarily before the workout, 'cause you can lose a little bit of your strength for that workout in particular. But you can do what are called dynamic stretches, which is more where you kind of swing your arm. You may have seen people grab a resistance band in the gym and kind of, you know, move their arm back and forth while they do stretches. You can do that and it doesn't have that same issue.

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Have you ever done P 90 X?

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I've seen P 90 X. I haven't tried it.

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They have really cool dynamic stretches that I've always liked. Like they do the hug yourself.

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Yeah.

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I really like the hug yourself one. And then they also have one where you like stir the soup.

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Oh yeah. So I did do that. Stir the soup stretch with you. That was pretty cool.

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Stir the soup stretch is very underrated.

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Yes, there's a common muscle cramp you can get in your upper back if you're doing weightlifting. And uh, there's a couple of different ways to stretch it out, but that stir of the soup where you basically just, you know, lean over and yeah. Wave your arm around a little bit, that helps a lot with that particular cramp.

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Yeah, and it kind of like, um, stretches out your legs too, 'cause you're bending forward.

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Yeah. Hamstring stretch.

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Plus it's fun. And then Tony Horton will be like, what soup are you stirring? Yeah. And then he shames you if you say something like bisque, because he's like, no, we don't eat butter.

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I've seen you do a couple of P 90 X's. They look pretty cool. So I They are pretty cool of stretching work.

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Do they have what?

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Stretching specific work workouts?

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They do have a stretching specific. I think it's like 60 minutes actually. Just all stretching.

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Wow.

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I don't know. I've always liked P 90 x. I know it's like 20 something years old now, but like, man, it was good. It's still good.

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From what I've seen, the way they structure the workouts is actually pretty solid. Yeah. No complaints really.

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I'm a big fan.

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Um, you can also do yoga. That's the one probably people probably think of the most when they think of, you know, flexibility.

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Mm-hmm. And

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really been around for a very long time and pretty effective. So you can do like a beginner yoga routine until you get more comfortable with it.

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Or you can do that wrestling guy. What is that guy? Oh

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yeah, the DDP Diamond Dallas page has a yoga. It's called DDP Yoga. Um, yeah,

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I didn't like that.'cause he doesn't use the right names for stuff.

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Yeah. Well, I don't know the right names for stuff, so I, so I know it

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doesn't bother you. I

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liked it quite a bit. Um, I, I need to do that one more, but I did like that.

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Yeah.

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You can also check out, there's something called starting stretching. So there's an old weightlifting routine called Starting Strength and somebody made, starting stretching to kind of go along with it. Uh, and it's just a handful of stretches you could do kind of over and over, do 'em once a day maybe. Get a little extra flexibility.

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Yeah. And you can find a bunch on YouTube also.

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Oh, for sure. Yeah. There's tons of stretching routines out there.

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And then I personally inherited all of my mom's, like early 2000. Late nineties VHS tapes. Yeah. And I've got a couple yoga ones that are. Really excellent. They've got the like majestic woodsy music vibe. Oh, Denise Austin had this really good 20 minute power yoga video, which I think was the first one I ever did.

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Yeah.

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I liked it. I don't know.

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Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, yoga hasn't really changed, so I'm sure they're just as effective as they ever were. Yeah. Yeah. So if you want to get into something that's low impact, kinda easy to start, but can be really hard. Like if you don't find a beginner routine, I would recommend doing some, some just flexibility to get into the. A group of things.

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Yeah. Don't go pro.

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No

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yoga first or you're not gonna be able to walk.

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No. And if you think yoga or flexibility is not something that's really sophisticated enough for you to do, I recommend you just try some yoga. It's probably gonna be pretty difficult. Uh,

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dude, it's hard. Even from like a cardio perspective, some of that stuff's pretty hard.

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Yeah.

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And strength too. A lot of that stuff has some strength built in.

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Yeah. For some of the poses, you have to be able to manipulate your own body weight pretty well, so

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Yeah, like they got some different planks and stuff.

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Yep. There are definitely beginner routines that don't require a lot of that.

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Yeah. You

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can work your way up. Cool. Next up is mobility. Kind of similar to flexibility, but mobility is the ability to move through a full range of motion under load. So mobility adds the aspect of like weight basically to kind of a, a sort of like a stretching routine. Also, under mobility is something like foam rolling. So you may have seen people, uh, have a little. Foam cylinder type thing and, and get a, get on the ground and uh, roll body parts around on it. Uh, so that's something called foam rolling is the kind of, uh, casual term. I think it's technically called self myofascial release. Wow. Yeah. Uh, which basically is just a way to get some blood moving to a certain part of your body in certain muscles.

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I don't know if I just don't how to do that. Right. But that always hurts.

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It's supposed to hurt. Oh, so you're probably doing it right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And usually if you get to the part that hurts, you wanna roll that part out a little more.

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Oh, you just keep going?

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Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty brutal.

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Okay. But it, you just always keep going because No.

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No.

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Okay. No.

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The disclaimer, no, don't, don't go until it like really hurts. Right. But yeah, if it's a little tender. You might try rolling it out a little more and see how that feels.

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Okay. I guess tangentially, is that how you say that?

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Tangentially?

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Tangentially. I bought this thing off of Shark Tank as you do. Yeah. And it was like this acupuncture back thing. Yeah. Because I had this like part of my back that was hurting, so I was like, I'm just, it hurts really bad when I poke it. Mm-hmm. So I'm just gonna keep poking it until it stops hurting. No, that was a bad idea. Yeah. I could not lay down for like three days.

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That sounds like a bad idea. So I wouldn't recommend going that way. It

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kind of felt good at the time though. Yeah. You know.

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Yeah, we

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gotta weigh those things out,

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right?

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It hurts So good.

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Yeah. So, uh, the foam rolling has been shown in studies to be able to improve your range of motion. So maybe if you've got some exercises or even something functional you're doing, like you want to do squats, you wanna squat lower, you have some kind of, like you, maybe you're doing rowing and you can't quite bend to the spots you need. Anything like that where your, your range of motion personally is limited. Split squats. Split squats, yeah. Something like that. You can work on that. With foam rolling, um, before you do your exercises, uh, it doesn't make you any stronger, but increasing the range of motion and it also help increase your stability so, you know, a little less chance of getting hurt, uh, a little more. You just kinda a solid feel as you do the exercise. Better form. Yeah, better form. So definitely something to try. Mm-hmm. And then for like a mobility routine, you can do something like Pilates, which is, uh, kind of similar to yoga, but it involves some dumbbells and, uh, a little bit of weight.

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Yeah. And along those lines you could do the P 90 x 90 minute yoga Yeah. Video, which is like insane. And they do about like 45 minutes of sun salutation. So

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yeah, at that point everything's strength training, right? Yeah. If you're done it for 45 minutes in a row. Uh, and yeah, even, um, professional athletes, a lot of NFL players will do Pilates to try to be, make sure they have full range of motion to go out there on the field and do everything they need to do, and they're not limited that way. Next up. Is, uh, any kind of like resistance training or strength training? So this is typically something like weightlifting right there. Uh, if you go out there with dumbbells, barbells, you're in the gym, your machines, stuff like that,

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or resistant bands,

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resistance bands. Yep. But you can also do resistance training with just your body weight.

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Pull-ups.

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Yep. Pull-ups, uh, pushups. Crunches, things like that.

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Mm-hmm. Sponges. Those will burn your legs out if you do 40 back and forth ones.

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Oh, absolutely. Air squats too. Yeah, so I mean, you can make a whole routine if you're on a budget or you just don't wanna have a bunch of equipment in the house, you don't wanna go to the gym. You can make a routine. You can do for probably years on just your body weight and be really effective and make a lot of progress. Yeah. Uh, it's a little harder. It's not optimal because you can't like add five pounds every time necessarily. I mean, if you get something like a weighted vest, but then you're not really doing body weight or

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a child or

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Yeah. Somebody to sit on your back. Yeah. So it's, it's not quite optimal. But I mean, you would just do more and do more sets, do more reps, um, and you can definitely get a good routine with just your body weight. So any kind of just general resistance, strength training, you know, this is the typical thing you think about probably when you think about exercise. In the gym. Another way you can get into exercise is with cardio or endurance type exercise. So endurance just means being able to go for a long time. So I think that probably the standard example of this is people like go for a long run or go for a long bike ride. Running can be a little hard on your joints, but uh, some people still really enjoy it and it is great exercise for your heart. So if that's something you like to do, you can just go out and start running. Even walking can be cardio. I mean, if you do it long enough and you do it kind of a fast pace

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or if you take little baby dumbbells.

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Yeah.

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Or those like walking six. We bought those we haven't fully figured out

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Yeah.

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How to use those properly. Yeah. Where are they? The uh, the Nordic

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walking stick. The

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Nordic walking sticks. Yeah. Still not sure how to use those. If anyone has tips, yeah, let us know.

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Yeah, we watched a couple videos. We didn't really try it outside, but we tried walking around the basement for a while. It seemed pretty cool. And it was definitely harder than just walking.

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Yeah.

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So you could also do power walking, walking with a weighted vest, anything like that in the walking category. And then in kind of the more than walking category, we got running, cycling, rowing on a rowing machine, swimming a lot of different things like that.

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I love a row machine.

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Yeah. The row machines are good and they're actually like probably one of the, well rowing machine is really good for a warmup before an exercise.'cause it's kind of full body or you're in your legs and your back and your arms. I

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mobility too. And

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mobility.'cause it's a pretty big range of motion you gotta go through. Mm-hmm. So rowing machines all around are just. Really nice. Um, and they don't take up a whole lot of space. They're kinda long. Yeah. But, uh, they're not very wide.

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I think you can hang them on a wall too. Yeah.

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Most of 'em you can pack up against the wall if you wanna keep one in your house. Every jam will have one.

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And the one we have, it has this little fish game you can play. Yeah. Where you're this little fish trying to avoid getting eaten by shark, but then you eat these other little fishes.

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Oh yeah. Which is kind

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of sad. But also get points. They're digital. They're digital. It's digital, so it's okay.

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Also a really good form of cardio that you pretty much only see in a gym. I don't think anybody has these at home and maybe you haven't even used, 'cause they're kind of old school is a StairMaster.

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Ew.

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Yeah, exactly. But that'll give, although

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you know that they're a couple boflex ones that. Have the illusion of being an elliptical, but they're really just like, oh yeah, an angry elliptical, StairMaster child.

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Yeah. That boflex thing's kind of crazy.

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Oh, I hate that thing.

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Yeah. That's more of a, a hit type thing. High intensity interval training. Yeah. It's like,

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do it for 15 minutes and uh, you'll live forever or something. Yeah. I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I would count it as. Stair master adjacent though,

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and that's actually a whole other category of cardio is HIIT training. There's one called Tabata, and there's a couple other protocols for it. But basically it's some form of like, go really hard for a minute, rest for 20 seconds, go really hard for a minute, rest for 20 seconds, and you can change that, you know, timer, kind of however you want. Yeah. But the idea is go real hard. Ease off and then do that a few cycles and you, the workouts are a lot shorter usually, uh, 10 to 20 minutes. But the benefits are just as good as doing like an hour on a treadmill or an elliptical as kind of like a traditional long, steady state. Cardio is. People typically do that for 45 minutes to an hour, but if you do hit, you can get kind of the same benefits in 10 to 20 minutes.

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Yeah. And you can do that on a bike.

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Yep.

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Uh ooh. Battle ropes, yeah, are pretty good for that.

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Battle ropes are good for cardio. Yeah, for sure.

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And for just like hitting like for circuits or whatever.

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Yeah. And they're real fun. Also, another one that's kind of non-traditional. There's a lot of video games now where you can do, do exercise.

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Oh my God, I love Beat Saber.

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Yeah. Beat Saber. A VR game.

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Yeah. You have to like go hard though.

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Yeah. You can't

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just like move your wrists.

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Right.

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You have to be like fully immersed for I think for it to count.

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Yeah.

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Oh, and then they have this one on this. Switch. Mm-hmm. Is it ring fit?

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Yeah, something like that. They

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have like a, a Pilates, uh, circle thing. What are the, the arm ones?

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Oh, I don't know.

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It's like a, it's like shaped like a circle and you push it in, I don't remember what it's called. Okay. Anyways, it's something they use in Pilates. Yeah. But you use that And it also has like, uh, I think leg cuffs.

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Oh, that's pretty cool. Because you

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like fake run while you're playing it. Anyways, that's a fun game.

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It's kinda like that old Wii sports. I don't know if you've ever played that. Yeah. Oh

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my God. Okay. My brother was playing we tennis at his friend's house. Yeah. And. His friend's mom walked behind him and my brother accidentally backhanded her in the eye. Oh. Oh my God. I don't remember if she fell over or not, but it was like, I think he almost gave her a black guy. It was like a whole thing. Yeah. Uh, so anyways, if you're gonna play video game sports and stuff like

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Yeah.

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You know, make sure no one's around

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you. Yeah, definitely, definitely have some spatial awareness. The VR helps with that.'cause it gives you a little zone to be in, but people can still walk into that. You gotta be track. Oh

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yeah. Oh, another good one. Uh, did you ever play switch boxing? I really like that. Yeah, that's, that's a really fun one.

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Yeah. So there's a lot of, uh, video game type stuff you can do for cardio, uh, if you wanna do it that way. And then last but not least for kind of cardio endurance and also fun is like some recreational sports. Or if you happen to be on like an organized real team, that's good too.

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So bowling.

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Bowling, I don't know. I think you have to do that thing where you like dance between, uh. Your bowls. Bowls,

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your bowls, what

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do they call it when you throw the ball?

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Throws rounds a throw.

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Anyway. If throwing any bowlers out there terminology, help me with some terminology. Uh, what

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do they call that?

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How are around, right? Turns, turns,

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I don't know.

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Anyway, throws. And then the last one kind of just combines all of that stuff together into what they call a circuit or kind of combination training. So a circuit is essentially the, uh, typically the way it's traditionally set up is there are stations in a room where you do different things. Right. So think like, uh, five different spots in the room. One of them has like some kind of strength machine. One of 'em has just like a jump rope laying there. One of 'em, battle ropes. Battle ropes. Yeah. One of 'em. Just

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push the sled.

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Push the sled. Yeah. And maybe just one, just there's nothing there. And you just do pushups, uh, stuff like that. So you kind of go around the room doing these different things and so you can find your own. Uh, first of all, also if you go to something like a Planet Fitness, they usually have a room that's set up just for this with like a timer on the wall and all the different stations set up in order and you just kind of go around as the timer runs down. So those are pretty cool. But also there are some places that are kind of dedicated to this type of exercise. So one of 'em is Orange Theory. Uh, it's basically a circuit where you do go back and forth between strength training and like using the treadmill.

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I thought it was like the row machine treadmill and the bike.

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Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. And I think there's also like some bench press or there's something with dumbbells in there too.

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Oh

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yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, and another big one that I get, you could probably consider circuit training. Although these, they, you know, they might get mad at me if I simplify it. Like that is CrossFit. Uh, so CrossFit is like huge. You probably heard of it. Don't piss

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off the CrossFit people. No,

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I know. I got all the respect in the world for CrossFit. Uh,

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they can jump high on boxes.

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Oh yeah. I

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could never.

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Oh, I know they do. It's

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insane.

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Yeah, so CrossFit's a great option. Basically, you just do a bunch of different things. They mix cardio, they go on runs, they do, uh, lifting, Olympic style lifting. They're

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so hardcore.

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Yeah, they're real hardcore and something else you want to ease into. But most of those places have great coaches and they'll ease you into it. So, um, CrossFit has been something that a lot of people have used to get into fitness right off the bat. So it's got a little bit of everything. You kinda learn what you like. Probably a pretty good option.

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That's true. So if you were building a program for someone who was just starting, like what things would you include?

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Yeah,

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how often would you do 'em?

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Yeah, I think I'd probably start for like just the first couple weeks, just do a little cardio to get used to moving and being outta breath and sweating a little bit. Uh, so maybe you do cardio like. Three days a week for the first two weeks just to get kind of used to it. And then maybe you could delve into using some machines. I think trying to find like a plant of fitness near you with the circuit room is probably a really good intro to that.'cause you'll try different machines, you'll have different muscle groups, um, and you'll kind of get used to what you like, what you don't like, what kind of stuff you really enjoy doing and pushing. Um, and then from, yeah.

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As someone who used to only do free weights. I really like the machines 'cause I feel like you can't hurt yourself as easily.

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Yeah, they're, it's a lot harder to hurt yourself and also you kind of, it kind of forces you to do it the right way. Yeah, to a certain extent. I mean, you can still kind of not do it right, but like, it's, it's on rails. So you push and you're, that's the muscle that you're supposed to use and for the most part, you're engaging what you should be. So it's a good intro. After you do that for a little while and you kind of get used to the lay of the land and just all the different muscles. And then you'd probably want to go into something like, you know, a, a real, you know, program. There's a bunch of different beginner programs you can do, and it really depends on kind of what exercises you like to do and what's gonna keep you going to the gym. So, do you like lifting weights? Do you like just doing cardio? Do you like using dumbbells or machines or barbells? And so you can kind of go from there, uh, and build a program around the type of stuff that you're actually likely to stick to doing.

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So where does mobility and flexibility like factor into all that?

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Yeah, mobility and flexibility are something that you would probably try to do a little bit of every day. Like maybe get up in the morning. That starting stretch one is one I was talking about. Mm-hmm. Or if you do some kind of yoga, you just do those first thing in the morning, maybe every day. They're pretty, man,

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I like it at night. Makes me all mellow.

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Yeah. Again, whatever is most consistent for you and what you'll actually do is good, but. Uh, and then mobility. You can kind of combine that with your workouts. Just do some mobility before and maybe after or after whatever you have time for

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stretching. Do stretching.

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Yeah, I would try to do some sort of flexibility or mobility probably every day. If you can't just spend 10 minutes on it, do a little bit of something. Well, that's pretty much all the information about basic exercises you can use to get into starting some sort of fitness program. Um, saw a couple cool things in the news this week around vegan fitness. So the US open, uh, tennis, if you watch that. I haven't ever actually watched tennis, but it always seems pretty cool. I've

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watched tennis really?

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I've seen clips. I've seen a lot of like clips of tennis matches that look pretty cool, but I've never actually watched a whole match.

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I went in person in Cincinnati once.

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Oh, that's really cool.

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It was cool. I didn't know what was going on though.

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Yeah. I'm still not sure how they like score tennis, but

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I don't know. I just remember they say love.

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Yeah.

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And I don't remember what that means. I think that means

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a tie. Uh, I'm probably wrong on that.

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It might be right. I

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used to play a racketball in the gym sometimes. It's pretty similar to tennis, right?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:20

Uh, yeah. And I used to play badminton, which I think is, I think pretty much identical to tennis. Really? Yeah,

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definitely is hard. So

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probably harder. Honestly. You could probably

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be playing in the US Open since you played badminton.

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Yeah, I know. I'd crush 'em.

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So yeah, the US Open starts August 26th, and the news is that they have committed to serve more plant-based foods than before. That's exciting. I guess there was a demand for that. So they have decided they're gonna, uh, do more plant-based foods, kinda like the Olympics did.

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Do you think that's like, in part because Serena Williams is vegan?

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Yeah, I assume she has a lot of influence there, so she probably had at least something to do with it, I would guess. I don't know that for sure, but I'm sure that probably leads to demand. If she has some fans that are vegan and they want to see more vegan food, you know? Yeah, I can see that having an influence Also. One more, uh, vegan powerlifter named Daniel Austin was in a powerlifting competition in Nevada this year. It was, uh, it was some form of nationals. I'm not exactly sure which federation, but it was some powerlifting nationals in Nevada and he broke three of the state power lifting like records, uh, as a vegan.

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That is awesome.

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Yeah. And that was a, uh, drug tested league. I did see that. So, oh, he's natural.

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A natty.

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Yeah.

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That's neat.

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Okay, moving on from that. We had a couple new recipes we made this week that will be showing up on the site at some point. Uh, you made a really cool pizza. You wanna tell us about that a little bit?

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Oh, so our parents who we visited last weekend. Was it last weekend?

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It was recently.

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I don't remember. Anyways, they're awesome and they have gardens and uh, basically we were super lazy this year and didn't grow gardens, so they graciously blessed us with a bounty of vegetables, which was awesome. So we haven't used. Many of the things yet, but I have ideas. Yeah, we did use is the tomatoes. And if you haven't made homemade pizza sauce, you really should.

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Oh yeah. That was super.

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It makes pizza so much better. We've been on this pizza kick where it's like, we're gonna do Saturdays for pizza and we're calling them Cher days.

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Yeah. Because some people call pizza za.

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Yeah.'cause we're really creative like that.

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Yeah. Also very hip.

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We're very, anyways, making homemade pizza sauce is super easy too. You basically just dump in tomatoes into a glass container or whatever. And then, uh, I used garlic 'cause I put garlic and everything, so like some raw garlic and tomatoes, and then drizzle a little olive oil. And I use balsamic vinegar too. And then you just like cook 'em in the oven for like 45 minutes to an hour. And then once they've like blistered and popped open and stuff, then you just blend them. Magic pizza sauce.

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Yeah, it was really good. And then we had like pizza sauce out of a jar for something else the next day and it was really disappointing. So now we're just spoiled on the homemade pizza sauce. Yeah,

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I think probably we won't do jar pizza sauce anymore 'cause it's really easy. I think it's probably even cheaper. And then we did make cashew, uh, stretchy mozzarella, which is really cool. Yeah, you can basically just take cashews, blend them with water and some seasoning. And then either you use Tapi yoga starch, which I thought I had, but apparently I did not. So instead, we used a combination of potato starch and arrow root starch. Yeah. And that it still turned out really good. Yeah,

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that was really good. It was like, uh, the big fluffy piles of cheese, like on the margarita pizzas.

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Yeah. Kind of similar to like fresh mozzarella.

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Yeah.

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Really good. Yeah, definitely. We're making that again, it's really easy to make too. And actually I've liked it better than any of the like store-bought Yeah. Cheeses, vegan cheeses that we bought. I like it even 'cause Kos was my top one, the liquid Kos. But I think like homemade. Cashew, whatever. Cheese goop is actually better than, than that's a name for, yeah. Really appealing. I'm great at naming things.

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And you also, you made a fake kind of chicken stand in from Satan.

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Yeah. So if you use like. Because normal Satan is made with like just water in wheat, gluten, right? Or you know, vegetable stock in wheat, gluten. If instead of just all water, if you were to half your water and throw in silk and tofu for the remainder of it, the texture you get is like, to me, similar to chicken, although I don't really remember chicken. But you've had chicken within the last three years. So you said it was close.

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Yeah, it was pretty close to what I remember.

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I think it gives it a really good texture and then you can just add in some seasoning, but it's really easy to make. You just steam it for like 15 to 20 minutes. And then you have like chicken patty things.

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Hmm. Yeah. We used it in some quesadillas and it was super good.

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Yeah. And like a harvest bowl.

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Yeah, the harvest bowl was really good too. Yeah. With the tahini sauce on top.

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Tahini and maple syrup. Uh, and a splash of apple cider vinegar.

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Oh, right, right. Yeah. That was a good bowl. Hopefully that makes it up on the website too. That was pretty good.

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I've been lazy lately. If you guys haven't noticed me, put recipes up lately. I've been very tired.

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All right, well guys, that's uh, all we had for this week. Do you wanna say? Bye

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Bye.

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Bye everybody.