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Welcome to episode 13 of the Deficient Vegans podcast. I'm the muscle deficient vegan here with the protein deficient Vegan. Do you wanna say hi?

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Hi.

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Hi. Lucky number 13. What do you think about that?

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Taylor Swift.

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Okay, so in this episode we're gonna talk about carbohydrates. We touched on this a little bit in the macronutrient episode, but we're gonna do a little more. Have a deep dive and talk about what they really do for you. Does that sound like fun?

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Kinda, kinda, yeah. Super fun.

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So carbohydrates you may know provide energy for your body, but you might not know they're not actually required for you to survive as far as getting them in your diet. Did you know that? Uh,

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no.

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No. Yeah, so carbohydrates are required, but your body can actually make all the ones you need to just be alive.

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What about to be happy?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:49

No, they, uh, well, bread, you know, bread makes you happy, right?

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Yeah.

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So you're gonna want to eat bread sometimes, but you don't need it to live.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 0:59

Mm. Okay. Agree, disagree. You need it to have the will to live.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:03

Okay. That's, there's probably something to that. Okay. So since you don't technically need it to live, you may hear that people do the keto diet, which is basically extremely low carb. And they can do that for long periods of time because you don't technically need carbs. I don't really recommend that I, I wouldn't do that because I think it's good to have a balanced diet and the carbs do a lot of stuff for you. We're gonna talk about here, but just so you know, so I don't get, you know, some heat. From the keto crowd, technically ketones, which is what you generate in your body when you're at low carb. I'm not really keto, so I don't know if I'm using the right terminology here, but you can replace some of what carbs do in your body with doing it with ketones instead. So I just wanna say that as a general disclaimer, technically you don't need carbs, but I think they do a lot of good stuff.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 1:48

Okay, so. Since we watched Grim. Yeah. The show. Yeah. Every time I hear keto diet, I think about the dragon lady that used like her own fat to light flames.

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Yeah. It's like that.

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Okay. That's just like. All I think about when I hear keto now, grim kind of ruined my brain.

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Yeah. So they should use that episode in their keto marketing.

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Yeah.'cause I mean, if I could do that, I'd go keto.

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Yeah. That's a really, that would be a good selling point.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, yeah, just because you don't need them, uh, I don't think means that you shouldn't eat them. So we've got a couple of different types of carbs. There is a simple carbohydrate, which it just means it digests quickly. And it's tasty ones, right? Yeah, tasty ones. It's uh, sugars, essentially. Sugars are simple carbohydrate. They digest quickly and also cause an insulin spike when you ingest them. Typically, that's not a big deal. If you're not diabetic, you probably don't have to worry too much about insulin spikes. Uh, but if for whatever reason you need to manage your insulin spikes, simple carbohydrates are ones you probably wanna do a little less of. Then they have complex carbohydrates, which is like starches and fiber. Fiber doesn't really provide energy, but starches will so think like brown rice, sweet potatoes, things like that are common examples of complex carbohydrates. Slow digesting not much of an insulin response, but still get the carbs into your body.

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So the ones you can give children that won't make them act crazy.

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Yeah. Although I don't think, I think I read once that the sugar rush isn't like a real thing.

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Really.

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Yeah. So it doesn't really make you hyper to have sugar. It

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just makes you happy.

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Right.

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Hmm.

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Which kind of makes sense that it doesn't make you hyper to have sugar because we're gonna kind of talk about a little bit about how slow the replenishment is of the glucose from sugar. So it really tracks that it wouldn't really cause that kind of thing anyway. Yeah. So glucose, all the carbs, whether they're simple carbs or complex carbs, all just end up as glucose when they get broken down by your body. It's just a matter of how fast they get broken down.

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What's glucose?

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So glucose is something that goes into your bloodstream that your body uses for a lot of different functions.

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What's the chemical formula of glucose?

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I have no idea. You're the chemical engineer. Why don't you tell me?

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It's C six H 1206.

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That a very fun name. We should call it that from now on. I think so instead, instead of glucose.

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I think so too.

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So when glucose gets broken down in your body, it gets stored in your body as something called glycogen. It's mostly stored in the muscles, but there's also some stored in the liver and the brain, and you've got some circulating in your bloodstream as well. So when your blood glucose gets low. Your body can release these glycogen stores from various places in your body to kind of put the glucose back into your bloodstream for your body to be able to use that glucose. So while your body does use a lot of glucose in general, your muscles actually mostly use the glycogen. They have stored up themselves locally, so like your bicep muscle holding some glycogen will mostly use the glycogen that's stored in the bicep and when it, because when you do exercise or when you move your muscles, it uses up some of that glycogen store to, uh, to power something called uh, a TP, which is essentially how your muscles function.

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What is a TP.

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Adine Phosphate.

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I think

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so. Fun fact, when you're at rest, your brain actually uses 60% of the glucose that's circulating in your bloodstream. Uh, the brain is a very heavy user of the glucose you get from carbohydrates. So when you move your muscles, especially during exercise, 'cause you know you're moving your muscles a lot when you exercise, ideally, uh, it depletes the glycogen stores in those muscles. And the amount of glycogen you store and the amount of glycogen you use, uh, varies per person. It has a lot to do with your fitness level, your body weight, your muscle. And things like that.

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So, which exercise would burn the most?

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Probably the ones that use the bigger muscles. So a leg exercises

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like running,

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running would use a lot. Um, because you're

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moving a bunch.

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Yeah, actually. So I think the fastest way to burn it is to do like sprint intervals. Even though you're not doing a long duration of exercise, the amount of effort and the big leg muscles will deplete glycogen pretty fast. So just so you have an idea of kind of how you replenish the glycogen with carbohydrates for a professional athlete, the general daily recommendation is eight to 12 grams of carbohydrate per kilogram of body weight per day. Mm-hmm. Which is actually a pretty high amount you could end up mm-hmm. Eating like, uh, over 2000 calories a day just in carbohydrate if you're a professional athlete, because you do want to try to keep that. Glycogen level high and you're using it on a pretty regular basis. So

Protein Deficient Vegan: 6:33

this is interesting. So when you run out of glycogen while you're working out, is that when you start feeling really sluggish and tired in the middle of a workout?

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Yeah, at a certain point it starts to actually impair your muscle function. So you start to feel, you know, like your muscle can't do as much, you can't finish.

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This is what I'm gonna blame it on the next time I'm working out and can't finish.

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Well, we'll talk about that a little bit.

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No, this is what I'm blaming it on.

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Oh, okay. Fair enough. For general population, just interested in general fitness, you can probably aim for more to like five to seven grams per kilogram of body weight per day. It's a lot more reasonable target.

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So let's say you're eating MA at maintenance. Yeah. What percentage calorie wise is that?

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So at uh, maintenance calories for most people who are actually, you know, doing fitness and trying to optimize things, I think a good ballpark is probably around 60% of your calories come from carbohydrates. You know, that might be difficult to hit. That and a protein target, I would probably prioritize the protein. And then just get as much carbohydrate as you can.

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Now, would you go more carb heavy if, if your form of exercise is more leaning towards like running in cardio and more protein heavy, if you're like in more into weight lifting and stuff.

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Yeah, I think that could probably make sense, especially if you're running on a pretty regular basis or you run long races, especially, uh, because you do want to be able to keep that glycogen level up over time. You know, it's kind of a, a trend, so if you're, every day you're burning a little more than you're taking in and replenishing, then it's gonna go down over time and eventually you'll have to kind of load overload back up. So if you tend to run more than you lift weights, I think it would make sense to kind of. Tilt more towards carbohydrates than protein. Hmm. Yeah. So, uh, speaking of replenishment, it can take, uh, up to 48 hours to really fully replenish your glycogen stores. So if you were just to not work out, get rest, eat carbohydrates at a pretty high level, to really fully replenish them, could take two days.

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Wow. How, how hard is it to completely deplete those stores? That seems like it'd be hard then.

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Somewhere in the ballpark of two hours, a moderate intensity exercise can take 'em down to the point where you're getting that compromised muscle function.

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What is like moderate? Is that weightlifting? Is that running? Yeah,

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I would just think of it as like a normal weightlifting session. Like if you were to go and do a lift that lasted two hours

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mm-hmm.

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You'd probably be pretty depleted to where you probably wouldn't be able to work out the next day. You'd have to, you know, rest and eat a bunch of carbs and come back the day after that to really get back to a point where you have no glycogen to optimally perform.

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What does that feel like? Is that just your muscles are tired, or are you just feeling low energy overall?

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Probably a little bit of both. Okay. So some ways to, uh, counteract this. You may have heard of like an intro workout drink. You know, you have people do pre-workout routines and drinks and stuff, post-workout drinks and stuff, but there are some people who do an intro workout drink. You see this a lot in bodybuilding. Mm-hmm. Because their workouts are really intense and they workout a couple times a day or really long sessions. So if you're gonna have a lifting session that's probably over about an hour, uh, you might start to consider something like an intra workout drink or some other supplement for carbohydrate,

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like a Gatorade.

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Gatorade is good. If you don't do the zeros, you do ones with actual sugar in it. Mm. Gatorade will work fine. You can also do, uh, there's dextrose, which is a popular supplement for bodybuilders for this, which is literally just like pure glucose. So you just mix it in. You're basically just drinking sugar water effectively.

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You're a hummingbird.

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Yes. It's not even colored though. It's just clear. So,

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oh, that's good. You're not supposed to feed hummingbirds the red dye anyway.

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Oh, I didn't know that.

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This is new.

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Oh, I'll have to keep an eye on

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that. Yeah, don't do that.

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So dextrose is good 'cause it's a simple, it's a sugar, it digests pretty quickly. Gets in your bloodstream pretty quickly. Some other options, Oreos are a good option. You know, they're just sugar. Uh, fig bars are kind of a popular option 'cause they're almost healthy and a little better than Oreos.

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What about Swedish fish?

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Swedish fish? Yeah. I mean, pretty much anything with sugar, you probably have to eat a lot of Swedish fish.

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I can eat a lot of Swedish fish,

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uh, peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Another good one. That's a lot of carbs in that. So, uh, as long

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as you don't use that shitty keto bread. Yeah,

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I think, like you said though, the easiest option is probably just a Gatorade and that's, yeah, that's really common. And Swedish

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fish.

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And Swedish fish also, if you have multiple workouts in a day, probably a good idea. To do your workout, get about four hours break in between where you're eating a bunch of carbs and resting, uh, and then you'll probably have enough to go into it. You probably couldn't do two a days, like every day of the week because again, it'll, you'll trend down over time and you won't really get that glycogen store recovered up to where it needs to be to operate.

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And also, I have a job.

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Yeah, that would also stop you from doing it. So there is something called super compensation, which also can be referred to as carb loading. So you've probably heard of that, like runners before, a big marathon or something. Uh, you can effectively, you know, lower your training volume. Really increase your carbohydrate intake, lower your protein intake for a couple of days, get a lot of rest, do a pretty low training volume, and your, uh, glycogen stores will actually go into what they, they call a super compensated state, which is like overloaded with what they would normally be. Hmm. So you'll go into your race or whatever it is. With like higher than your normal glycogen store maximum. Uh, and you'll really be able to, you know, push that a lot further, especially if you do some kind of in intro thing. I think, uh, marathon runners and stuff pretty typically have a way to get carbohydrates during the race. But if you do the super compensation first, you know, you get a little longer before you run outta gas.

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Is this why the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles always ate pizza?

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I have to imagine. That's the only reason. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you just wanna make sure you're eating plenty of carbohydrates. If you're starting to feel pretty fatigued over time, you might just look at your, uh, food tracker and make sure you're actually getting in enough carbohydrate and maybe just increase it a little bit, uh, in your general plan. Alright, so that's the breakdown on carbohydrates. If you have any questions or wanna know more about 'em, you can reach out to us and ask, and we'll get back to you. All right, so we've got a couple interesting news items to talk about this week. Uh, so Walmart's actually coming out with a brand called Better Foods. It has a bunch of new vegan options that are pretty cool. So they've got a vegan mac and cheese, a milk, ice cream, uh, I think some cookie dough and a bunch of other stuff. So Walmart, who thought

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I, I mean, wow. I'm not really sure what Walmart could do to make me go to another Walmart.

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Yeah, but you can order it online and they'll bring it, bring it to your house. Uh,

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yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah.

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Remember the Canada Walmart?

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Oh, I got it.

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I have nightmares about the Canada Walmart. Okay.

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Anybody who is listening to this, who lives in Canada, uh, is it like a normal thing for your Walmarts to not take stuff out of the boxes? I, I, I don't. I, I get, maybe I'm just used to.

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America, Walmarts, America,

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Walmarts. And maybe that's not even how they do it at a lot of Canadian Walmarts. Yeah, but we went to this one in Toronto that just, everything was still in the box on the shelf and it was really hard to even tell what the stuff was like to see, you know?'cause at our Walmarts, everything's just like out.

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Yeah.

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On, in all of our stores, I guess really everything's just out, sitting on the shelf and you can see the product. Yeah. But when we went there, uh, everything in the entire store was still, and it's like in it's box.

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Yeah. And

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you couldn't really see the product, so it was hard to find things.

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It was wild. We looked for silk and tofu for at least 30 minutes.

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Yeah.

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Until I think we almost had panic attacks and just left.

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So I, I need to know, is this like, was this like an anomaly and maybe there was one day at this, one Walmart. Or is that just how it is? Because it was super hard to find anything.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 14:04

You know, I've always thought moving to Canada sounded great until that Walmart, that Walmart changed my mind a little. Yeah. I was like, I don't know.

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Yeah. And the lines were still bad. That didn't work. The

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lines were crazy.

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Yeah, that's a problem we have here too. It

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was like 11 o'clock at night too. Yeah.

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Yeah,

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usually a ghost town.

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Yeah. At

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the ones around here. So

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other than that, Canada was really cool, but that Walmart was wild

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except for the underground mall thing.

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Yeah. They closed pretty early. It was, it was really cool. It was a cool idea and we thought it was really cool when we walked in, but then the more we walked around, the more we realized everything was like closed at three in the afternoon.

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Yeah.

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So

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we don't, I guess we just maybe

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again, a bad day to go.

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We just don't understand Canada. I'm sure Canada's awesome.

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Yeah.

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The people seem great.

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We went to a really cool castle.

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We did go to a cool castle.

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Yeah, that was pretty cool. Anyway,

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Walmart.

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Walmart. Uh, next thing we saw, Britain just approved lab grown meat for pet food.

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That's pretty cool. So

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there's a company called Meat Leaf that's gonna be making lab grown meat for cats and dogs. And I think other things

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that's pretty cool because, uh, I, you know, there are a lot of people that. Even though studies have shown eating vegan dog food is fine, there's still a lot of people that are, have concerns about that. So I think this will help people bridge that gap.

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Yeah, and it's especially cool for cats, I think, because while dogs can be vegan, technically, uh, cats really can't be vegan. So having a lab grown meat, like a vegan actual meat option for cats, I think he's probably a game changer.

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Yeah, I think so too. Oh,

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that'd be cool. Uh, also, this isn't really vegan specific, but I do have a vegan fun fact. Uh, the Summer Olympics in Paris are starting soon. They'll be running from July 26th to August 11th. And I only mention that because you should watch the USA Olympic weightlifting team. Um, now there was a guy named Kendrick Ferris who went to the Olympics three times for team USA and he was a vegan. Mm. Uh, the last time he competed, I think, was in Rio in 2016. And at that one he actually broke the US record for total lift during the trials leading up to the Olympics. Wow. He was a beast. That's really cool. I don't think there are any vegans on the current team. I looked a little bit before this. I didn't see anything about any of those being vegan. Uh, but maybe one of these days. Either way. Um, cool sport and you should watch it.

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Yeah. I think there are still a lot of vegan. Athletes at the Olympics. Yeah, because I saw this article actually about how many vegan options are at the Olympics, like food wise.'cause they serve so many meals. Yeah. And apparently there's just a ton of vegan options this year. Yeah. And I also saw that thing about the beds. Their beds are made out of cardboard boxes.

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Yeah, I saw something about that. That's pretty cool. That

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was like so crazy. Yeah. Their beds are made out of cardboard boxes. I mean, it makes sense 'cause it, you have to have so many beds and they're temporary.

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Yeah.

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Very cool.

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Yeah,

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a lot of cool stuff there.

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Although weightlifting is specifically starts on August 7th, so while the Olympics start on July 26th, there's no weightlifting events until August 7th.

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Actually, I saw a really interesting Instagram post a couple days ago from this one account that talks about like sustainability and green energy products and stuff. Yeah. Projects and stuff. Anyways, they were talking about the Olympics and that I think they were gonna be serving two times as many vegan options as any other like previous. Olympics. That's

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pretty cool.

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Yeah, and I guess they're like focused more on sustainability and stuff this year with recycled materials and stuff. And they're using cardboard, recyclable cardboard as the beds.

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That's really awesome.

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So, oh, if you're ever looking for another Instagram account, going green media posts, literally the coolest stuff they might have. My favorite videos on Instagram. They're always posting like really cool, like green energy product projects and stuff. And also like. Really cool. Like vegan hotels and stuff you can check out across the world. I don't know, it's like one of the coolest accounts I've seen.

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Check 'em out.

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Going green media.

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Alright, so that's all for kind of the cool news items we saw this week. We do have one brand that we just recently tried, we wanted to talk about called Gau.

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Yes. Kind of sounds like Jesus. Mm-hmm. And like. And they

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really lean into that. They

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really lean into it. The marketing is hilarious. Um, you can actually get a free sample pack of other products to try and you just have to pay for shipping. Yeah. So we tried that and there were like six different flavors. I'm an actual little bitch, so I only tried the mild flavors. Yeah.

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So they had two mild, two medium and two spicy.

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Yeah. The mild ones were great.

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Yeah. I liked, uh, all of 'em out of the six. There were four that I would just buy and eat all the time. The other two were okay, but they weren't really my cup of tea. One was habanero. I don't really like habaneros. A little too hot for me to eat like that casually. Yeah. And then there was um, I think an Indian curry one that was pretty good. But you know, if I had to pick like my top four, it would've been the other four.

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So I liked the original, which was mild.

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The original was good. It was like a, kinda like a spinach dip or an artichoke dip kind of, yeah. But it

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didn't have spinach or artichoke. Right. So I'm not sure how they made it taste like that, but I'm very impressed. Yeah. But apparently, I guess I don't, it doesn't sound like they're probably gonna be in stores. They ship it non-refrigerated and then you have like two weeks to put it in the fridge.

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Yeah.

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But So you can just buy it online?

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Yeah. Then once you get it in the fridge, it was, it lasts a couple months I think so,

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yeah.

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Uh,

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but we'll probably be buying it again. Yeah. I really like the original one specifically.

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Yeah. It's definitely a good dip to have around, uh, I think they were the same people who made that bitch and sauce.

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Yeah. Which that spinach in our cho dip is so, so good. All right.

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We also got a couple of recipes that are, uh, either posted or gonna be posted soon. We got one that's a chocolate silk and pie.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 19:33

Wow. We shouldn't make that again because it's too good. Yeah, it's too good. And it, it is not helping protein or calorie targets. Yeah. This

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is not one of our high protein recipes. That's good for your health. Right. It's just, uh, sugar.

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Yeah. But it's fucking delicious.

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It is. So it's like a chocolate kind of pudding pie middle with soak and tofu and on top, like a peanut butter glaze.

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Yeah. And an Oreo crust.

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Mm. Right. So

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it actually works really well in the whole conversation we've been having about carbs because it is. Car heavy.

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Yes, you will definitely get your stores reloaded with a couple slices of this, the,

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the magical glycogen storage, 9,000.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 20:12

You should rebrand it. Yeah. Alright. Uh, also we did a cool garlic pizza. You wanna talk about that?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 20:18

Dude, that was really good. It was really good. We've been trying peaceful rebel cheese, so we tried it, their mozzarella on the pizza and it was awesome. It melts really well, but we used like a garlicy. Base sauce. Yeah, kind of tasted like a garlicy Alfredo, but it's literally just garlic cone fi, and then you blend it with an immersion blender and it makes like a garlic sauce similar to what you might get at like Papa John's or something.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 20:42

Yeah, it's really good. We did ours with mushrooms and onions, but I imagine it worked with a lot of different veggies, so

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yeah. Yeah, we'll be making that again also great for your glucose.

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Yeah. Uh, we also did a berry crumble

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kind of thing,

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so it's like a fruit on the bottom and then TBP on the top, right?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:03

Yeah. So you just kind of sweeten the TBP with like a little bit of brown sugar and a little bit of protein powder. For the crumble on top and then just, you know, normal berries that you would do on a regular fruit crumble. Yeah. Gets you to about 25% protein on a calorie basis. So pretty decent.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:19

Yeah. And for texture, I kind of think like fruit with granola on top.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:22

Yeah. But

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:22

warm. So it's really good. I liked it a lot.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:24

It was really good. Heated up too even.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:27

Yeah. And the last one we did was a little cheese ball. What do you got on that one?

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:30

Yeah, so we used peaceful rebel, white cheddar cheese for that and mixed in craisins and sunflower seeds and some green onions and made like a holiday cheese ball and it was really good.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:43

Ate it with some Ritz crackers. Pretty good. Yeah,

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:45

it was good.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:46

Cool. Alright, well that's all we've got for this week. If you guys have any questions, uh, feel free to reach out to us on social media or on the websites. We've got all those links in the show notes and, uh, we'll be happy to answer anything you got you wanna say. Bye

Protein Deficient Vegan: 21:59

bye.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 21:59

Bye everybody.