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Welcome to episode nine of the Deficient Vegans podcast. I'm the muscle deficient vegan here with the protein deficient Vegan. Do you wanna say hi? Hi. Hi. So this week we're gonna talk about micronutrients. Um, finally, finally, uh, really tilted more towards, because it's vagary, uh, micronutrients that vegans in particular need, but a lot of these also apply to anybody. So, first things first. The easiest way to get all the micronutrients that you need, whether you're plant-based or not, is to just eat a wide variety of foods. It really, you tend to run into a nutrient deficiency when you eat kind of the same things over and over, and maybe you're missing a food that you need to get some of the nutrients that you don't normally get.

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Eat the colors of the rainbow. That's what they say. Not Skittles though. Mm-hmm. You don't think Skittles, Skittles won't give you your vitamins?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 0:47

No, not any good ones. But they look kinda like vitamins. So that gotta account for something, right? No. Hmm. That's unfortunate. So the first one up is Iron Iron's actually the most common deficiency in the world as far as nutrients go across, uh, the whole population.

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I've had this,

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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So iron helps your red blood cells, uh, move oxygen around your body. So basically if you are low on iron, you start to have a lot of issues with fatigue. And I guess since you've had it, what are some of the other things you might run into?

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Yeah. So you're tired, you're a little weak. Uh, your hair can start falling out. Mm-hmm. Your skin gets dry, your nails get brittle. It's not good.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:23

Yeah, I think in general, you know, low iron is referred to as anemia and that can have all kinds of issues. I think you can also pass out stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, obviously for any of these, the best way to find out if you're actually deficient is with a blood test. Um, so if you don't want to take a bunch of vitamins or supplements, you can just get a blood test. Um, you can probably get it through your doctor if you have an actual concern

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or pro tip, you could just go donate blood and they'll test you for your iron for free. And then sometimes you get a cool shirt.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 1:53

That is a good pro tip. They actually tell you what your iron is or just if it's low.

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Well, just if it's low, sometimes they'll tell you. That's all you really need to know though, like, is it 1214, whatever they usually tell you. That's

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pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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Um, so as far as food goes, the top five vegan sources of iron are lentils, spinach, tofu, kidney beans, and swiss charred, and also a bunch of the other dark leafy greens. So that's typically where you're gonna get that from in your diet. So if you just. Try to get leafy greens in a lot of your meals. You know, you'll get lentils probably pretty naturally on a vegan diet. Um, and tofu, and tofu and beans. I mean, these are all kind of things we're, we're rotating around as staples anyway, so as long as you're getting. Uh, a diverse mix of those. You probably won't run into iron issues, but, uh, it's one of those things, you know, your doctor will probably see on your regular blood work if you actually go to the doctor like you're supposed to. So if it turns out you are actually low on iron and you go to your doctor, they'll probably tell you to take an iron supplement. So there are a lot of these you can get. Some of 'em can cause issues with your stomach. So there's a couple out there that market specifically like gentle on your stomach.

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Yes. I had this where I was taking one in the morning without food, you know, 'cause I don't listen or read directions on the bottle. Yeah. Anyways, it was making me throw up and I was like, why am I throwing up in the mornings? And it was because of my iron supplement. So now I take it with food and usually at night.

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Yeah, that's a good idea. Um, but you also wanna make sure you take it with some vitamin C that helps the iron absorb. And then also, uh, for vegans, the plant-based version of iron is referred to as non-heme iron. That's actually a little harder to absorb, so you really wanna make sure you take it with that vitamin C, and you might even need a little bit higher dose. And that's why we want to try to get extra through all of our, you know, dark leafy vegetables and things throughout. Also fun fact cooking in a cast iron skillet actually adds non-heme iron to your food, so it can actually help supplement. I saw something said, uh, in some cases it can add up to 16% to the iron content of the food.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 3:58

I've never used one of those.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 3:59

Yeah, I tried a couple times. I'm not very good at it. My mom's good at it. I can't never manage to actually cook one without making stuff stick all over it so I don't have the magic touch.

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You have that problem with all pans, so it's not just cast iron specific.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:12

That's a really good point. I guess

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who can destroy an always pan? You can.

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It's not so always anymore. All right. Next up on our list is vitamin B12. Uh, vitamin B12 is the one that's. Uh, almost impossible to get from plant sources. Uh, there are actually some mushrooms and seaweed that have B12, but it's really not a reliable source of it. So, uh, you may not know B12 actually comes from bacteria. So now with modern agriculture, the way they clean and wash our foods, the bacteria doesn't really make it into the plant sources we eat anymore.

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So we're all screwed if there's a zombie apocalypse. Yeah. On the B12 front,

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 4:58

that's, uh, that's true. I wonder if you could, uh, grow the bacteria somehow. I dunno. Mm.

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My thing is like. If I feel a zombie apocalypse is coming, I'm just gonna go grab all the B12 from the stores.

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Yeah, well I think I, we'll probably be pretty well stocked up on nutritional yeast anyway. And nutritional yeast is one of the good sources of B12 vegan. That's true.

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That's true in vo life. Yeah.

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Yeah, so some of the sources other than the, uh, the mushrooms and seaweed you can't really rely on are some of the enriched or fortified vegan options. So they usually do this with nutritional yeast, some cheeses, some of the, uh, plant-based milks, and a lot of the cereals we'll all have, uh, B12 fortified. Um, B12 is also water soluble, so you can't really overdose on it. Uh, mostly you'll just pee out all the, the extra that you take. So if you do look at some B12 supplements, you'll see a lot of the times they're like really high doses, like 12000% of your daily value, and one that's because it doesn't absorb super well in a supplement form. And two, since there's such a low risk of overdose, they just give you a high dose to make sure you're getting the daily allowance.

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Yeah, they even do B12 shots.

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Yeah. You have, have you ever had one? I've never had one, but I know that's really common.

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I got one.

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Yeah. Not only do do, will a doctor give you a B12 shot? I think there are like just fun places to go. Yeah. People get B12 shots.

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Exactly. They gave it to me at work once. Yeah. During like a health fair.

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Yeah.

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Um, I don't know if it actually did anything or if I was like, oh, this is supposed to make me feel better, and then it did. I'm not really sure.

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Another fun fact for B12, the form of B12 that's in the fortified foods and supplements is actually easier to absorb than the form of B12 that is in animal derived products. So, uh, that's a win for the vegans, I guess. That's right. You know, a lot of, uh, a lot of people who aren't vegan also have a B12 deficiency. Yeah. Even when I was, you know, pre vegan, I took a B12 supplement pretty regularly'cause it's still something a lot of people, uh, have issues with. All right, so another one you might be missing out on, especially now that it's wintertime, is vitamin D

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and where, where do you get vitamin D from?

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Normally you get vitamin D from the sun

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whose sun.

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So sunlight is actually the best source of vitamin D. Uh, it hits our skin and turns into the vitamin in our. Essentially that's a simplified form of that. Um, but in the winter, we're all arms are covered up and everything. When we go outside, even if there is sun, we're pretty covered up. We're, we're not. That's

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me in the summer too.

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That's a good point.

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I get cold.

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So, uh, most people should probably take a supplement for this. Um, you might even need to take it year round, but you should probably definitely supplement this in the winter just to cover your bases. Um, there are some food sources of it for vegans. You can get it from mushrooms. And again, like fortified things like fortified milks, fortified tofu, those have vitamin D. Typically the supplement form is gonna be vitamin D three. So if you're looking for a supplement, uh, and you see D three, that is the one you need. Um, also, if you're gonna take a vitamin D three supplement, you should take a, take it with vitamin K two and you can find supplements that are actually combined D three and K two. And that's just because if you take. Vitamin D three, especially in high doses on its own. Uh, it can cause some calcium to get into your bloodstream and that can do bad things for your arteries and tissues. So if you take it with K two, that pulls the calcium more into the bones and other places where it belongs.

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Okay. D three and K two. Does that sound like something from Battleship?

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Yeah, you sunk my battleship. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So

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if you do D three and K two, you'll sink your own battleship. Or not, you won't sink your battleship anyway. You should do that.

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Well, you'll be happy because you won't have a vitamin D deficiency. Oh, also, vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin, so you'll want to take it with some sort of, uh, fat, you know, eat food with oil or something when you take your vitamin D to help it absorb.

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If you're taking omegas, could you take it with that?

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 9:04

Yeah, that helps. Um, you probably want a little more. More fat. A little more fat.

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So shove it in an avocado.

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Yeah. That's a good plan.

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, actually they have, uh, vitamin D also, Ty a lot of the time will come in drops, so you can do little drops into your avocado and make it taste really terrible because that stuff does not taste good and drop it for 'em.

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Oh yeah, you do eat the drops, don't you? Uh,

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sometimes I, I don't like them very much. Okay. The next one that, uh, vegans can have trouble with is zinc. Zinc is important for your immune function, fighting infections. Uh, you can get this from beans and lentils and some of those same foods you get iron from. So, um, you know, make sure you eat your beans again.

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Also, zinc has the coolest name. Be like a good kid's name.

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It is a really cool name. Kind of sounds like a superhero name. Yeah. Yeah. Also we have iodine iodine's important for thyroid function and uh, it's pretty hard to get as a vegan. You can get it from seaweed. The problem with, uh, seaweed, and it would be nori seaweed is the one people typically use for this. But the problem is, uh, seaweed is not a very consistent dose of iodine. So you can actually get seaweed that has way more or way less than is kind of the average. And if you eat a lot of seaweed, that happens to have way more, um, you can. Get too much iodine, you can start wreaking havoc kind of on your thyroid function.

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Yeah, just be careful.'cause yeah, the thyroid function, uh, it's pretty important.

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Yeah. Uh, some other options are basically an iodine supplement or they also have, uh, iodized salt you can use in replacement for your normal salt.

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Yeah, just be careful and make sure you actually need to take it before you take that.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 10:44

Yeah, I don't, I don't think this is a supplement where every vegan should take it or anything like that. No, no.

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It's not like B12.

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Okay. Next is, uh, calcium. Uh, a lot of people have concerns about calcium going onto a vegan diet, but we do actually have a lot of options for calcium. We have kale, broccoli. Chickpeas fortified milks. Um, I usually get my basically daily allotment from like a almond milk or an oat milk or something like that. That's just the easiest way. Um, most vegans, you know, they've found it across a couple of studies, don't get enough calcium, so you want to at least make sure you're paying attention and trying to get some calcium for the day. Maybe use something like chronometer just to make sure, you know, for a week or two that you're, you're kind of hitting the daily allowance on average. Um, you might need to supplement calcium if you're really not able to get it into your diet in a way that works for you. But if you can, you want to try to avoid it, you, you don't really want to get too much calcium in a supplement, so I really recommend just trying to get it through food. Next Omega threes. We talked about these a little bit in the macronutrients episode, but a lot of people don't get enough Omega threes, and this is not just a vegan issue. A lot of omnivores will supplement fish oil. We have algae oil we can use, which is the same forms EPA and DHA of omega threes, which is just a fatty acid, a form of fat.

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Oh, and I've always heard omnivores complaining that. They're omega threes, give them fish burps. But I don't have that issue with the algae ones. I've never taken the fish ones though.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 12:15

Yeah, so algae oil, Nordic Naturals has a really nice algae oil and you can get other vegan Omega-3 supplements. They come in a form called a LA that. It kind of converts the EPA and DHA, but it doesn't convert very well. But if you use the uh, Nordic Naturals algae oil, or mely any other algae oil, it will have directly the EPA and DHA forms that are better for supplementation.

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Isn't this one of the ones that's tied to longevity too? Like they've had studies that say you should be taking these.

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Yeah. Omega-3 is good because it fixes what we talked about before, kind of the Omega-3 to omega six ratio. You want to have a lot more omega threes than you're probably already getting to help prevent heart disease and uh, you know, improve your longevity, like you said, and things along that line. So that's really all the, uh, micronutrients. So if you want an easy way to kind of, uh, check all these boxes, there is a multivitamin for plant-based people, uh, that I like to use. You know, not associated with them or anything. I just happen to like it. And it's not really that expensive. Uh, it's about the same price as any other multivitamin. It's called Holier. Uh, basically they just have six or seven ingredients. And they're just the ones that plant-based people have issues getting. Um, and you can get, you know, refills in a little pouch and keep using the same glass bottle over and over. And they come in the mail super easy once a month. Um, so that's the, and they're

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pretty. They're

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pretty. Yeah. They like kind of are see-through and you can see all the little, little

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green beads. Yeah. Little all the beads and

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components inside the vitamins.

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They're so cute.

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They're really cool. Um, so anyway, that's the one I use just because it's pretty limited. I don't get a whole bunch of vitamins I don't need.

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Yeah. Yeah. I was using home, but I think I'm gonna switch to holier just 'cause uh, I have a lot of bottles of things. Yeah. I don't wanna have a lot of bottles of things. Yeah.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 13:58

Yeah, so we'll put a link to that in the show notes. It's not a special affiliate link or anything. We don't get anything for it. It's just a,

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because they don't know who we are.

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Cool. All right, so now we have some recipes coming up this week. They're not out yet, but we wanted to give a little sneak peek of 'em. So we had a high protein granola bar that we made.

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Yes. With TVP. Had some craisins and chocolate chips in it too. I thought it turned out pretty good.

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Yeah, it was really tasty. It was like a little. Kinda like a little protein bar, but, uh, granola style. I liked it a lot. Yeah.

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Easy to make too.

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Yeah. But we also had a Caesar salad. That was super good.

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Yes. We figured out how to make Caesar dressing out of silk and tofu and I thought it was pretty damn close.

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Yeah, I thought so too. Uh,

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and we made these like little garlicy, uh, seasoned, like TVP croutons kind of.

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Oh yeah. Yeah, those were really good for the

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salad. I thought they were really good and they added some protein and kind of took the place of what you would normally put croutons on a Caesar.

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Yeah, they had a good texture, helped. We also made a pretty cool lasagna that tasted really good. What was in that one?

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Uh, so we made ricotta out of tofu and then I was lazy and so I just dumped pasta sauce in there and I accidentally used two different types of pasta sauce because I ran out of one.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 15:17

Yeah, accidentally. But now I think it might be like a trademark thing.

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Yeah, it was pretty good. It was pretty good.

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Yeah. It was like a what? The normal pasta sauce. And then we finished it with a, the bo boong bolognese sauce.

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Yeah. Like a vegan po. I don't know.

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That's such a fancy word. I, I've never

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belonged enough sauce. I know what, but

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it's very fancy word.

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Yeah.

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And then, uh, the last one we had was nutter butter. Pie slash cheesecake.

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Cheesecake. Yeah, it's a lot like the peanut butter cheesecake, but we also threw in some nutter butters that we happen to have leftover.

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Yeah, I think it gave it a little more of a, a dense texture. It was really, yeah. It was nice in peanut buttery. Very peanut buttery. Yeah, it was very good.

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And I had a potluck at work this week, and I made the broccoli salad and I made the, uh, the chocolate cheesecake. Just on a cookie crust, not a TVP crust. Yeah. And, uh, people liked it, or at least they lied to me. Well, you and told me they liked it.

Muscle Deficient Vegan: 16:11

Well, you didn't, you didn't bring much back home. So I think that's a pretty good indication that they liked it

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or they like me enough to pretend to eat the food they don't like, and either way, I'm happy. So, I mean, that's pretty much the same, right?

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All right. So that's it for this week. Uh, next week we're gonna have another kind of vegan focused episode. We're gonna be talking about debunking some of the vegan myths and, you know, maybe easing your mind on some of the hesitations you might have about going vegan or trying a plant-based diet.

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I'm excited.

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Me too. I think that'll be really cool because there's a lot of stuff out there that, you know, there's a little bit of truth in everything, but there's a lot of stuff out there that one is really not as big of a deal as you think it is when you actually switch to be vegan. And two is just really, um. Not relevant at all, actually. There were a lot of those.

Protein Deficient Vegan: 16:54

Yes. I had a very angry lady. On Instagram tell me that, um, my skin was terrible and that my gut was leaking or something because I eat tofu. Mm. Um, don't know what that was based on, but it was weird. And yeah,

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it's pretty impressive to make a medical diagnosis like that through a comment. That's,

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I know,

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pretty impressive.

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I didn't even have any pictures on Instagram for her to comment on my skin. It was odd.

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You didn't have pictures of your leaky gut?

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No. I don't know how she knows I have a leaky gut. Oh,

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wow.

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That's, yeah. Very impressive. I don't, I don't know what that is, but I'm pretty sure I don't have one.

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Okay. Well, hope, uh, you learned some stuff about micronutrients and we're looking forward to talking to you next week about the Vegan Myths. So hope everybody has a good week. Uh, do you wanna say bye Bye. Bye everybody.